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The Thermo Diet Podcast Episode 12 - What Supplements Do We Take?

The Thermo Diet Podcast Episode 12 - What Supplements Do We Take?

In this episode of The Thermo Diet Christopher Walker and Jayton sit down and talk about their supplements stacks, why they take them, and some of the best supplements they would utilize if they were only given a finite amount. 

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Chris:
All right welcome back to the Thermo Diet podcast everyone. If you're watching this on video or we're live-casting it in the Thermo Diet Facebook group, you can see our new set up. Looks pretty sweet. If you're not in the Facebook group though you can't see it. So you've got to get in the Facebook group so you can actually see something.

J. Miller:
Yeah. You want to tell them about that testimony that we had in there?

Chris:
Yeah. Yeah. So I'm here today with [Jeff 00:00:25] Miller and ... I'm not going to tap anymore. We're going to talk to you today about our favorite supplement routine because I think that was the big question people were asking, like what supplements do we take? So we're going to be discussing that today. We also have a cool update from the Thermo group about kind of a success story, incredible success story, really great one.

Chris:
Amy essentially had been diagnosed with a brain tumor, a pituitary tumor, back in 2008. Pituitary tumors can cause a lot of issues ... I would know. I have one ... especially hormone issues and then the medications that they will give you tend to have a lot of bad side effects because you're essentially just using drugs to operate one of the master glands in your body, your master hormone gland. So she wanted to avoid the medications but she'd been on it for probably it sounds like about ten years. So she did Thermo, she's been doing Thermo, and it essentially has healed all of her tumor symptoms. And more than that, she just got word from the doctor on the MRI that the tumor is gone, which is pretty amazing.

J. Miller:
She's off of her medication.

Chris:
And off of medications, feeling good. So, good job, Amy.

J. Miller:
Yeah.

Chris:
Shout out. That's really cool.

J. Miller:
Heck yeah. Also the topic today was inspired by Mr. Jake Miner from the Thermo group.

Chris:
Thanks Jake.

J. Miller:
Heck yeah.

Chris:
Anyone else have any ideas for content that you want us to talk about just let us know here. Leave a comment in the group and we'll read the good ones, and pick the good ones.

J. Miller:
Heck yeah. So what's your daily supplement routine look like?

Chris:
All right, let me tell you it's pretty nice to be here because we have access to massive amounts of supplements. So the ideal routine I've had when I'm feeling the best, I think I'll talk about that. It typically involves a fluorouracil supplement in the morning, or with the first meal which could be somewhere like mid-morning or noon, depending on fasting which we're also going to talk about fasting in another episode. Fluorouracil. A couple of cortigons in the morning are really good with coffee. I'm really looking forward to our new supplement that's coming out in January 2020 called Miracle Morning.

Chris:
Miracle Morning, I think y'all are going to love that because it's designed literally to be taken while you're drinking coffee in the morning. Take one or two of them. I'll probably take three. Where it's going to give you that awesome clear energy boost throughout the day. Right first thing in the morning. So that's essentially, I would say that's kind of my morning stack. If I've really got to focus hard, I'll throw some choline in there, some dopa mucuna. We had to change the name. It's called mucuna pruriens, the actual name of the herb, of the extract. Just an update on that. We had to change the name from dopa mucuna because Amazon banned it.

J. Miller:
Really, that's why we had to change it?

Chris:
Yeah. They said it was a pharmaceutical because it has dopamine in it.

J. Miller:
Yeah, because there's doing all those studies on levodopa right now for Parkinson's.

Chris:
Yeah. So it contains 15% L-dopa, mucuna extract does, or at least ours does. So Amazon banned it. So we're just renaming it so it doesn't say dopa, L-dopa. So you'll be able to get it on Amazon again once we get it back up there. It should be up there soon. I think we've got all the new stuff in stock now. And we can get some of that over here at the office and talk about it, some of the new label. We're doing a facelift on all the UMZU stuff right now. Mucuna is pretty damn cool, and you were talking earlier today about mucuna, about something cool you learned.

J. Miller:
Yeah. So in ayurvedic medicine they've actually shown ... They'll give you like one bean and you'll swallow it and they'll say for the entire year you're covered and protected for snake bites. So it has protection mechanisms towards snake venom which is really interesting. So over in India they'll actually use that to protect themselves from snake bites.

Chris:
You know another way to protect yourself from snake bites India is to not charm the snakes. You always see those videos of those guys like playing a flute or something and this big cobra is right in front of them looking straight at them. It's like, damn dude. Or you could take mucuna and charm all the snakes you what, get bit.

J. Miller:
I will not be doing that. I don't think so.

Chris:
Nah.

J. Miller:
So dopa mucuna if you've got to focus hard. What's next?

Chris:
Okay. So that's a morning stack, and that's a pretty hardy morning stack especially on an empty stomach. I've found that I can only take so much on an empty stomach. Also, one good thing to wash all that down with is a kino octane. Especially right in the morning because it's got a normal amount of caffeine. It's not a lot of caffeine but it's about the same as a cup of coffee. It also contains a huge dose of B1. So especially if you're not using a lot of cortigon, which also has a lot of B1 in it, I've found that having that B1 in the morning makes me feel really good. It gives a good sense of well-being, a lot of energy throughout the day. So washing it all down with kino octane is really good. And we have a new flavor coming out right now. We're recording this at the time of Black Friday, so it's kino Friday today actually. Got a blue raspberry flavor. It's only available on subscription but you can check it out at kinobody.com.

Chris:
So that's pretty much morning. For first meal, sensolin, with the first meal. It keeps your appetite low. You get full easily.

J. Miller:
Now are you just taking one capsule, or all three capsules?

Chris:
Depends on the size of the meal, like what I'm going to do. Also if I don't want to deal with it later in the day. Probably the easiest thing if people really want to build a habit is, especially if you eat three meals, you would take one with each meal. And that's just an easy way to explain it to people. But really I think as long as it's building up and there's actually a good amount of berberine in your system, you could take it three at a time as well, so especially if I'm doing like a Thermo bowl. I've found if I take three right at like 20 minutes before a Thermo bowl, when I eat one of those things it's hard to even finish a Thermo bowl because the sensolin really does squash your appetite. So if you're trying to lose weight that might be really good tactic.

Chris:
And then what else in a day. Just some bone broth, a cup of bone broth, the UMZU total bone broth, which we're renaming to ZU broth.

J. Miller:
Now do you count that and collagen as a supplement, because I really just count that as a food?

Chris:
It is a food, yeah. It's a supplemental food, I guess. Yeah. I mean it's technically a food but it's also a supplement. Yeah. Then collagen, like if I have a smoothie I'll throw a scoop of collagen there absolutely. That's probably good for mid-day, and then after dinner typically having my Testro-X. Also if I'm going to hit a good workout then redwood and octane, or a date. Redwood and octane, that combo cannot be beat for both reasons. And that'll be typically mid-afternoon.

Chris:
And then, yeah, Testro-X after dinner. Let me think if I'm missing anything. I mean, that's about it. That's a lot. But I also like to switch things up just based on what I'm feeling. Using Thyrite also is really good. I've been using Thyrite in the mornings though when I take it.

J. Miller:
Do you take any non-UMZU supplements?

Chris:
I've used non-UMZU Butea superba in the past. I usually just do that for like a period. Mostly I've used it when I was, like this time last year I was really going hard in the gym to get my strength up, that was an acute focus. So I was using Butea and Kino Gains daily as well. I found that Kino Gains is amazing if you're trying to get stronger and dedicated to that, like a good regimen in the gym using Thor Program or Kino Body Program. But I found that with the creatine for me at least personally I have to be in a phase where I'm ready to drink that every day. Because it does take a minute to get your gut used to the creatine increase, at least for me. I've heard that with other people too. But I'll use those. That's probably it.

Chris:
I've got a raw thyroid gland supplement right now. I can't remember the name of the company. But I've been using that. That's not an UMZU supplement. That's probably about it. Oh, and the liver, the organ meat tablets.

J. Miller:
Nice. Thank you.

Chris:
So it sounds like a lot of supplements because it is, but you feel great when you use all that. You're giving your body really everything it needs and wants. So, yeah. All right. Well, that's me. What about you?

J. Miller:
Oh, man. Let's see. So obviously it depends on the goal that I'm trying to accomplish. Let's see, right now, what it looks like in the mornings is I mean I like to take Testro-X in the morning just because I feel like it gives me a good, clean focus especially I feel like the ashwagandha and the [phosphatidylserine 00:11:19] with cortigon work synergistically with each other. So I like to stack those in the morning. And then I'll also take a little bit of extra magnesium. So I'll take anywhere from and extra 200 to 400 mg of magnesium just because I've noticed that the higher my magnesium intake is throughout the day, like the more my cognition and my anxiety kind of relaxes a little bit too.

Chris:
Do you ever find that you take too much magnesium?

J. Miller:
It's really interesting that you say that because I have noticed in powder form. If I take the capsules and it's time released then it doesn't. But if I take the powder then I'm going to be running later.

Chris:
Yeah, that's one word of warning. If you are using like UMZU Sleep, the sleep supplement, don't overdo it. Just take the one dose, like a normal person, which I'm lecturing myself here because sometimes I'll get lazy with that and I'll just dump it in. Yeah, it'll do you dirty.

J. Miller:
Kind of like the orange juice and baking soda incident that we had?

Chris:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You've got to push your limits, you know. Find your edge.

J. Miller:
But I notice whenever you do take magnesium, the longer that you take it and the more used to it that you get the more that you can take over time.

Chris:
It's like creatine.

J. Miller:
Yeah. Yeah. And then so I'll take some magnesium and then I've been taking pregnenolone recently, and I really like pregnenolone. It's really interesting because I find that my cognition is enhanced a little bit better, like it's easy to focus. And then I notice that my strength has actually gone up a little bit easier and a little bit quicker with the pregnenolone. So I've been supplementing with around 200 mg of that. So I'll supplement with that, and then I've been taking some horse chestnut extract, the liquid extract with rutin. And I find that really helps with vascularity.

Chris:
Yeah, it's like redwood.

J. Miller:
Yeah. Redwood has the horse chestnut extract in it.

Chris:
Yeah, the rutin and the horse chestnut combo because it's the aescin, I think is how you pronounce it. Aescin that compound in horse chestnut extract, especially that combo is good for varicose veins and varicoceles. Very, very effective for that, yeah.

J. Miller:
And it's really good for endothelial cell health too. So I'll supplement with that in the mornings. I'll also supplement with a little bit of pine extract. So every once in a while I'll just dose that to see how I feel. Probably go through like a tincture of it. And then that's usually my morning stack.

Chris:
Do you ever use pine pollen tincture?

J. Miller:
That's what it was. Pine pollen.

Chris:
Pine pollen?

J. Miller:
Yeah.

Chris:
Gotcha. Yeah, because it's bark and pollen extract.

J. Miller:
It's not the bark. It's the pollen. So I like it but I don't really know if I can tell a difference with it. So I mean I kind of feel like I wasted my money on it. But I don't know. It's hit or miss.

J. Miller:
Let's see. And then I usually don't take any supplements throughout the day. I like to get them over in the morning and then in the evening. So in the evening, usually after dinner, I'll take a little bit more magnesium if I don't take Sleep. If I take Sleep I won't take the extra magnesium. Then I will do, let's see, a little bit of baking soda. So I'll actually put a little bit of baking soda on my food because you can't really taste it, and then I'll put a little-

Chris:
It tastes kind of like salt.

J. Miller:
Yep. So I'll put salt on there and then I'll put a little bit of baking soda on top and mix it in. Then I'll put a little bit of that in my nightcap drink too. I notice that it kind of helps relax a little bit.

Chris:
What do you do for your nightcap drink?

J. Miller:
So I'll do milk, if we get granular with it, I'll do like 16 to 20 ounces of milk with like 60 ml of sugar, pure cane sugar. Usually I can knock out pretty quick. These past few nights I haven't been able to sleep, but usually it's just like right out.

Chris:
Yeah. I've been drinking a lot of organic orange juice recently again, like in the evening. Just with dinner I'll like have a few glasses of it. I've found that it's definitely kind of a calm down, relax, wash The Office, and go to bed.

J. Miller:
Who's your favorite character in The Office?

Chris:
Creed.

J. Miller:
Okay. Nice.

Chris:
Yeah, and I forgot another thing that I do everyday is bone broth on the white rice or whatever, if I'm cooking white rice. So do some organic Jasmine or Basmati and then I've tried it a couple of different ways. But one is actually mixing the broth while it's boiling water and everything.

J. Miller:
Oh, in the rice?

Chris:
Yeah.

J. Miller:
Okay.

Chris:
So that's one way. But I've found that the more delicious way is actually if you cook the rice first, take it out, put it in a bowl and then dump the powder on top of it. Then mix it in like that. It tastes better in my opinion.

J. Miller:
So I actually do bone broth daily too. I'll do a scoop. I use the pressure cooker for my rice so I'll just dump it in a bowl and then I'll put the bone broth on there. Then I'll put a little bit of beef tallow or butter on there.

Chris:
Oh, that'd be delicious.

J. Miller:
Yeah. And it gives it just enough liquid to mess with to kind of stir it in really nice and it doesn't clump up. It's really good.

Chris:
Yeah. Because sometimes it can clump because of the gelatin in there.

J. Miller:
Yeah. It's pretty good. So I've got a good question. If you could only take five supplements, single ingredient, what would they be?

Chris:
It's a good question. Single ingredient?

J. Miller:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Chris:
I think the approach to that is completely measuring your micronutrient deficiencies and then taking the five ones that you're definitely deficient in. Because I think at any moment any of us are deficient in certain things. That would be what I would do.

J. Miller:
Yeah.

Chris:
But if I didn't know, then I would go for statistical stuff. Because not everyone measures everything, and even frequently, because it can change often.

J. Miller:
Yeah. I take vitamin D and vitamin K as well. I forgot to say that. I take that in the morning.

Chris:
K2, D3. Yeah those are good. K2 hard to get.

J. Miller:
In the diet, yeah.

Chris:
If I wasn't measuring, I didn't know my deficiencies, but I wanted to go with the statistics I would take choline, at least a gram a day. I would take iodine, selenium, potentially copper, or magesium. Yeah, magnesium for sure. It'd be like I'd go with magnesium, zinc, choline, iodine, and selenium.

J. Miller:
Okay. Nice.

Chris:
That will handle most of the issues.

J. Miller:
Interesting. I think my top ones would be magnesium, vitamin D, vitamin K, pregnenolone, and probably something for cognition like maybe phosphatidylserine, just like a really high potency phosphatidylserine.

Chris:
Yeah. It's hard to pick because the minerals and trace minerals are really important because they're hard to get in your diet. But then there's the other stuff like phosphatidylserine, ashwagandha, that also have a big effect on a wide range of stuff.

J. Miller:
Well whenever I look at the minerals like copper, zinc, selenium, I'm just like okay, I'm going to pound in the oysters. And then whenever it comes to choline what I like to do is I'll separate the egg yolks from the egg whites and I'll cook up the egg whites and toss the egg yolks in my rice every once in a while. That's good.

Chris:
What I've been doing recently is cooking the eggs, stick them on the bottom of the Thermo Bowl. Don't break the yolks or like barely break them. Take them out of the pan. and then I'll eat a bit of it while the rice is finishing but I'll leave a lot of the yolk in there. And I do the same thing, I'll just dump the rice on top. Stir it in with the bone broth.

J. Miller:
Yeah. The main reason that I've been doing that is there's pregnenolone in the egg yolk but then there's also choline and I don't want to denature it by heating it too much. It's just kind of like I get a little paranoid about it. So I'll just separate the egg yolk from the egg white and toss it in my rice and mix it in. Then I'll cook up the egg whites. So I can see that. And then I probably eat liver one or two times a week.

Chris:
Yeah. So if you had a good diet strategy you could get those minerals. Yeah, that's a good point. Then you wouldn't have to supplement with them. Then you could supplement with the fun stuff.

J. Miller:
Yeah. Exactly. Thank you.

Chris:
So I do the other tactic. I like that.

J. Miller:
Now what's interesting about pregnenolone too is that there's some studies that show it actually lowers cholesterol because what it does is it promotes the synthesis of itself and of progesterone. So pregnenolone is the step after cholesterol. So cholesterol gets converted into pregnenolone and then from there it goes into all the other steroid hormones. And it's really interesting because it doesn't have that negative feedback loop. It's kind of like a positive feedback loop. So it promotes the synthesis of itself and of progesterone.

Chris:
So there's no feedback to stop producing your own?

J. Miller:
Right. Pregnenolone.

Chris:
Just because it's so used widely?

J. Miller:
Because it's the first step in all the androgenic hormones. And so it's being used for all of them.

Chris:
Interesting.

J. Miller:
Yeah, it's really interesting. And I think, I was listening to a podcast by Ray Peat, he took up to like three to four grams a day for an entire year. And he said he only saw positive benefits. He said his skin actually became tighter. He actually reduced some of the wrinkles, like around his eyes and stuff, which is kind of interesting.

Chris:
I was just picturing like a body builder Ray Peat.

J. Miller:
Yeah.

Chris:
And 80 year old.

J. Miller:
He also said that pregnenolone can shut down some of the stress hormones like cortisol which was kind of interesting. And adrenaline. So I was like, shoot, I'll buy me some pregnenolone.

Chris:
Nice. Cool. All right so let's talk about ... We could talk about maybe a couple of different categories, right? So if you want to focus on better memory, better learning, faster cognition in general, what would be the top three supplements?

J. Miller:
Okay. I guess it depends on how crazy you want to go with it because you know you have things like the racetams, like the hardcore nootropics.

Chris:
There's like natural ones and then not, like all the racetams aren't natural. They're synthetic. But there are some variations. I'm pretty sure they're all somewhat modeled off B vitamins.

J. Miller:
I think so. So piracetam was the first one and then there's just a [crosstalk 00:24:12] of all the other ones. And then I think an aniracetam that has the least amount of side effects long terms.

Chris:
Yeah. I've used aniracetam in the distant past when I was experimenting with all those things. It's pretty good. It's not very long-lasting.

J. Miller:
Yeah. It only last for an hour and a half.

Chris:
But it's ten or 11 times more powerful than piracetam is. Piracetam, I didn't really feel much. Like you have to take kind of a big dose to use it.

J. Miller:
Yeah, it's real subtle.

Chris:
Yeah. But also one thing to note if someone is using nootropics too, you have to supplement with choline with it.

J. Miller:
Yes. 100%.

Chris:
Or you'll quickly deplete your choline, which you're already deficient in anyway.

J. Miller:
And that's why a lot of people get migraines whenever they supplement with them is because they're burning out of all of their choline stories.

Chris:
Interesting.

J. Miller:
So if you want to get really hard core, that'd be something that I would do. But if I want to do something that's sustainable long term cortigon obviously would be the one. So phosphaticylserine and ginkgo biloba would be the two biggest ones, along with a little bit of B6, just because especially after reading Nutrient Power the amount of respect that I have-

Chris:
The B vitamins, especially B6.

J. Miller:
Yeah.

Chris:
B12.

J. Miller:
So B6 would be one and then I think I really like pregnenolone.

Chris:
You're a pregnenolone [inaudible 00:25:47].

J. Miller:
Yeah. I really like it. So yeah, those would probably be mine. What about yours?

Chris:
I would do cortigon, mucuna, what else? If it was natural, like all natural?

J. Miller:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Chris:
What's another really strong one? Probably just still choline. Like for real choline is freaking great. So simple.

J. Miller:
Yeah. I would definitely supplement with choline on a daily basis. What's interesting is that choline can actually, especially whenever you take the powder it acts like a bitter. What that does, so like the estrogen can be excreted through bile and then it's excreted in the feces. So if you can use choline as a bitter to excrete the estrogen into the system and then methylate it and then pass it out. That's one of the strategies that I like to use to help get rid of that estrogen.

Chris:
Yeah, choline is pretty damn useful for a lot of things.

J. Miller:
The liver. The brain. Yeah. It's interesting, and it was actually, wasn't it originally grouped with the B vitamins? It was like called vitamin J or something like that?

Chris:
Yeah, vitamin J. I think it's closest to ... I forget what they called it. It's like really similar to one of them. So some places you'll see it grouped with one, or with the B vitamins. But other places people are, no, it's separate. But it's very similar to them.

J. Miller:
Yeah. And 90+% of people are deficient in choline too so it's a necessary nutrient to get in. It's almost like if you're on an average diet that's probably the number one thing you should supplement with right off the bat. Because it's the cheapest. You can get a lot of it really quick, and it's really safe.

Chris:
Yeah. You can take high doses of it. Like there's different forms of it also. So I typically just use bitartrate. It's less bioavailable than like acetylcholine.

J. Miller:
Or alpha GPC.

Chris:
Or alpha GPC which is more-

J. Miller:
Potent. That's more of like the nootropic one.

Chris:
Yeah. Just because you can take a smaller dose to get a bigger effect. However I like just kind of the raw material aspect of bitartrate where you can still control. Like a larger dose. You can take it as a powder. You don't have to mess around. It's like very affordable. Very cheap. So that's why I think it's generally like a good option for people to use as like a base level choline for a supplement. Because a lot of people, like alpha GPC is really expensive to get in the right dose, especially is someone is taking like a full supplement regimen. It's not as economical for them to use it. That's not saying it's bad. It's great.

J. Miller:
And like a lot of the percentages that some of these brands toss out there of alpha GPC, it's not potent enough.

Chris:
No. The ones you see in a lot of these supplements, they're not even using enough.

J. Miller:
Yeah, so I don't know. Choline bitartrate is the most widely reliable I would say.

Chris:
Yeah. I kind of see it like creatine monohydrate. Like it's just this raw material supplement that has a lot of research behind it. It's easy to get. It's inexpensive. It's a good foundational thing.

J. Miller:
Yeah. So whenever you take certain supplements do you notice that any give you more vivid dreams because that's one thing that a lot of people notice with Testro and Sleep. I think it's the combination of the ashwagandha and the magnesium.

Chris:
Yeah, could be.

J. Miller:
And then I noticed recently, I started supplementing with the dopamucuma at night and I started getting very lucid dreams which was kind of interesting.

Chris:
Cool. I should try that. Dream stack.

J. Miller:
Yeah.

Chris:
We should make a dream stack in the store. Might as well.

J. Miller:
That would be cool. Yeah.

Chris:
Yeah. Take this before bed, lucid dreams. I mean it's pretty reliable. A lot of people say that. They'll take Testro or Thyrite and then zuSleep before bed and they're like, "Whoa!"

J. Miller:
Kind of freaks them out a little bit.

Chris:
Yeah. It does freak some people out like if they're not ready for it. I like dreams. I like to work during my dreams.

J. Miller:
Yeah.

Chris:
I just think about work all the time.

J. Miller:
So for somebody who has a very manual labor job or struggling with arthritis or something like that what's the biggest supplement they could take for pain and inflammation relief?

Chris:
Pain and inflammation, I would go with our zuRelief, total relief supplement has a really incredible combination of everything that's proven to lower inflammation in the right dose as well as organic hemp extract, either full spectrum or broad spectrum. I think it's very potent to help the pain relief, very much effective. In terms of the zuRelief, in terms of non-cannabis stuff, it'd be bromelain.

J. Miller:
I love bromelain. It actually eats away at a lot of the scar tissue too.

Chris:
Yeah, it acts as an enzyme. So, yeah, that's good stuff. Or just eat a bunch of pineapple. The thing with pineapple, though, is there is obviously a limit to it. Like if you eat a lot of it your taste buds start to get all fuckered, or different. Or it like kind of burns the top of your mouth or something. But I do love pineapple. And then organic tumeric. Very good.

J. Miller:
Now you have to take that with bioperine because of the absorption of it, right?

Chris:
Yeah. Which is a black pepper extract. So it helps make it more bioavailable. You don't have to take it with it but it's a lot better if you do.

J. Miller:
Thank you.

Chris:
Yeah, what do you think about pain?

J. Miller:
Pain?

Chris:
Yeah, any other ones?

J. Miller:
I think creatine with baking soda pre-workout is a really good combination because both of the are shown to buffer lactic acid. So it's going increase muscular endurance and allow you to go harder for longer. So that would definitely be a pre-workout stack that I would do, is good baking soda with a good creatine.

Chris:
One thing that I've seen a lot of reviews or testimonials on over the years is people that do work a manual labor job using redwood, and it's helping them a lot just with having the stamina throughout the day, keeping the blood flowing in all the right spots. Sometimes if you work eight to 12 hours a day on a construction site or whatever, you're really taxing your body. Even delivery people, people that are getting in and out of cars all day, that can take a toll. So getting the blood flowing in all the right spots is really good. Also keeping your immune system high. A lot of success stories about that.

J. Miller:
Heck, yeah.

Chris:
And redwood also has a lot of success stories with truck drivers.

J. Miller:
Really?

Chris:
Yeah, as a group which is cool, because they're sitting all day so you want to make sure that you're not choking off circulation sitting there.

J. Miller:
Yeah. That's really interesting. So I've been doing a lot of this ingredient research for the YouTube channel at UMZU Health. One of the things that I learned is magnesium, I don't think they included choline in this statistic, but behind vitamin D deficiency magnesium was the second most common deficiency. So I think supplementing with vitamin D, magnesium, and then a good choline supplement would be up there on the list for just the general population. I think that would be good. It would cover a lot of bases. And vitamin D is necessary for hormonal synthesis too.

Chris:
Yeah. And another thing just to highlight is the importance of gut health in general because we haven't talked about it very much. But if you aren't consuming foods that have any sort of natural probiotics in it, that's a big lever to pull in terms of getting a good probiotic flora and using that to restore the balance of the gut bacteria, to tip it back. Especially if people eat kind of like a standard diet their gut is usually pretty bad, and it impacts everything. It's kind of the first line of defense. That's where all your food goes. You have to be able to break down and absorb the food. Your gut bacteria literally communicate with your brain via neuronal communicators, like the neuronal impact because there are so many neurons in the gut. So the gut bacteria, the concentration ... It's all back to ratios again. The concentration skewed in the wrong direction is going to have a negative impact on that communication with your brain. Therefore your hormones get impacted because the HP whatever access, whether it's gonadal, adrenal, gonadal, thyroid, whatever, gets impacted by your gut.

Chris:
So if you have a bad gut you should take some time to restore it and get into a maintenance pattern with it. Floracil is an incredible way to do that. It's really easy. It's formulated for that reason. Obviously having prebiotic fibers available to those probiotics will help them. So we also have a prebiotic supplement, ACV + Prebiotics. But you can get plenty of prebiotic fibers from fruits and roots. So if you're eating Thermo you're also going to have plenty of prebiotics.

J. Miller:
Yeah. Definitely. Yeah, it's interesting because ... I think we talked about this a little. The L. reuteri strain actually produces what is known as reuterin, and it actually acts as an anti-microbial substance that helps get rid of a lot of the bad bacteria in the gut, which is really interesting. I think that's really cool. It's kind of like the secret weapon.

Chris:
It's the Navy SEAL strain.

J. Miller:
Yeah.

Chris:
Send it in there. Take out the bad guys.

J. Miller:
Clear it out. And like endotoxin, it's really interesting because it produces lipopolysaccharide which gets into the peripheral tissues, which increases the amount of serotonin that's in the peripheral tissues, and then this leads to inflammation and then that inflamed state can lead to ... It's been correlated to all kinds of things. Obesity. Diabetes. Anxiety. Depression. All kind of things. So down regulating the amount of endotoxin that you have in the gut is crucial. It's crucial.

Chris:
Yep. So. Okay. Well, I think we've covered quite a bit in this episode. It's pretty good. So we're going to do a quick little product pitch here at the end before we close this out.

Chris:
And today we're going to talk about Testro-X. So Testro-X was actually one of the first formulas that we made here and UMZU, back originally Truth Nutra. Testro-X is formulated with three specific segments or purposes of the ingredients, the first being overcoming micronutrient deficiencies that cause hormonal imbalance. And Testro-X can be used by both men and women. While it clearly is used mostly by men in terms of what it's named, it can still restore a similar contextual hormonal balance to women as well. So women do take it. Those key nutrients though are magnesium and zinc which have like the widest body of research showing that, completely proving that if your testosterone is low because of these deficiencies you can actually correct it in as little as a couple of weeks if you overcome those deficiencies. And that's purely if the low T is caused by one of those deficiencies. Then just correcting the deficiency will bring it back which is cool.

Chris:
Also we have a trace mineral, boron, in there which is a really cool mineral. You just wrote up some cool stuff about boron recently, right?

J. Miller:
Yeah. Boron is really interesting. It can actually free us a lot of testosterone in the system and it plays a role in how you actually use that testosterone too. So it can help you use testosterone more effectively, but then it can also detach a lot of the testosterone from the SHBG molecule which attaches to the testosterone molecule and renders it inactive.

Chris:
So it's like, "Get back here. Come here."

J. Miller:
Yeah. So it frees that up.

Chris:
It takes it back.

J. Miller:
Yeah. It's really interesting. There's a lot of really cool research on boron that's out there.

Chris:
Yeah. Lowering estrogen pretty significantly also.

J. Miller:
Yeah.

Chris:
And then lowering inflammation biomarkers.

J. Miller:
Yes. Yeah. That was a big one that I saw that was really interesting. And then bone density, it actually helps with magnesium absorption and it helps with bone mineral density.

Chris:
So the combo of the boron and the magnesium are really helpful in Testro-X.

J. Miller:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Chris:
And the cool thing with the studies done on boron for hormone reasons is the very short amount of time that it has like these massive effects. We put the exact dosage of boron in Testro-X that's actually in these studies, which is 10 mg. The two huge studies showing like these crazy hormone improvements with boron, one was over seven days and then one was over 28 days. It seems like just over that increased period of time it has that widening impact on your hormones and improving them.

J. Miller:
Yeah. One to four weeks.

Chris:
Yep.

J. Miller:
That's crazy.

Chris:
Pretty cool.

J. Miller:
Yeah.

Chris:
Also we have a couple of herbs in there, extracts. KSM66 ashwagandha, which has two clinical trials on testosterone specifically for different purposes. One is on sexual health related parameters, and the other one is on muscular strength and endurance, power output, that sort of thing.

J. Miller:
And those are really interesting because they actually talked about decreasing body fat by like three and a half percent.

Chris:
Yeah. It was a big decrease in body fat percentage.

J. Miller:
And they didn't measure their caloric intake or anything either doing that, which is really interesting.

Chris:
I think that's probably stress modulation, the impact there. And estrogen. Then the sexual health parameters were also massive improvement. Crazy. Sperm count went up, I believe that was a four-week study. Sperm count went up 167%, which is nuts.

J. Miller:
Yeah, that's insane. So if your swimmers are having trouble then ashwagandha is definitely one that you need.

Chris:
Trying to have a kid? That will help. That's a lot more sperm.

J. Miller:
And then we've got forskolin in here which increases cyclic AMP, which increases the production of testosterone in the Leydic cells, right?

Chris:
Yep. Downstream. So actually the Leydic cells are in the testicles so they're the testicular driver of testosterone production. So the cyclic AMP production from forskolin helps that. Forskohlii root extract, or however you pronounce it.

J. Miller:
Coleus forskohlii.

Chris:
Coleus forskohlii. There's a bunch of names of this. It's all the same thing. So that is in there. And then there's some glycine, L-theanine, and inositol. Basically those were added because of the research showing their positive impact on GnRH, which is the hormone that's secreted from the hypothalamus, communicates directly with the pituitary gland to product more LH and FSH. So we're hitting it from all angles with the formula here for Testro, and that's why people love it so much. That's why especially when older guys, guys that are middle ages and getting into older age, when they take it they see profound improvements pretty quickly because of, in my opinion, like an increase in stress load over time, chronic stress, increase in estrogen load over time, and increase in deficiencies over time. It's just the older people get the more deficient you get in stuff if you're not paying attention to it. So guys that are 40s, 50s, 60s, even 70s, see very profound improvements over the first 90 days of using Testro-X, which is really cool.

J. Miller:
The biggest comment that I've seen is energy.

Chris:
Energy, yep. That's the number one thing that everyone ... Because it's mostly the most tangible feeling that you get. When you don't have it, it sucks. If you don't have energy throughout the day, you're just like, "Wow, I'm freaking tired. What's wrong?"

J. Miller:
I've actually seen some comments on there that people are pissed because whenever they stop taking it they don't have as much energy and they're like, "I can never stop taking this again."

Chris:
Get on a subscription.

J. Miller:
Yeah.

Chris:
Save some money.

J. Miller:
Definitely. Yeah.

Chris:
So yeah, that's Testro-X. I hope you guys learned a lot from our conversation today and got some ideas for yourself in terms of your own supplement routine, what you want to use. Again, you don't have to be perfect. But, like [Jayton 00:00:25] mentioned, crafting a supplement routine around your goals is important.

J. Miller:
Definitely.

Chris:
You can't take everything. I'd say the very first thing you need to do is if you're really, really serious about turning your health around is getting that micronutrient test, finding the deficiencies, supplementing based on those deficiencies in terms of leverage. But then there are tons of really cool, useful, wide-ranging uses of other supplements, like herbs that you can use.

J. Miller:
And I would say learning how to craft a nutrient rich diet and then finding the supplements that support those is probably the biggest thing that you can do too.

Chris:
Yep. And it just so happens Thermo is very nutrient rich and easy to digest. Contains a lot of prebiotic fibers. Tastes better than every other diet on earth.

J. Miller:
Yeah. I'll never do anything else.

Chris:
Yeah. That's the way to eat. How to eat.

J. Miller:
Yeah.

Chris:
So, all right, thanks for joining us today. We're going to be signing off. Go subscribe wherever you like to listen to this podcast. We're pretty much all over the place now in terms of the feed.

J. Miller:
Make sure to leave a review.

Chris:
And get in the Facebook group.

J. Miller:
Yeah, get in the Facebook group. People are killing it in there all of the time.

Chris:
Yeah. Curing brain tumors now.

J. Miller:
Yeah.

Chris:
Great. All right. Thanks for listening. We'll see you on the next show.

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