The Thermo Diet Podcast Episode 50 - Training Discussion with Zach Siegel

In this episode of The Thermo Diet Podcast Jayton Miller and Zach Siegel sit down and talk about the details of their training from their favorite lifting equipment and exercises, what they do on their off days, what they are working on right now and so much more. Check it out and let us know what you think!

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Jayton Miller:
Welcome back to the Thermo Diet Podcast. I'm your host Jayton Miller, and today I'm here with fellow UMZU coworker and UMZU Fit coach Zachary Siegel.

Zach Siegel:
Was going on?

Jayton Miller:
How are you doing today?

Zach Siegel:
I'm doing good, man. I feel good.

Jayton Miller:
Yeah?

Zach Siegel:
Yeah, I got a lot of energy today.

Jayton Miller:
Heck yeah. Why is that?

Zach Siegel:
I worked out this morning. Woke up at five o'clock with Rob, drove to the 24 hour fitness, and I got my workout in.

Jayton Miller:
Heck yeah. You're also on that new Miracle Morning, aren't you?

Zach Siegel:
Oh yeah. I took two of those this morning.

Jayton Miller:
It's good, isn't it?

Zach Siegel:
Two of those and a scoop of Zuum. That'll do it.

Jayton Miller:
Heck yeah. How'd you work out. Go ahead.

Zach Siegel:
Super well for a... Working out 5:30 in the morning, sometimes your strength isn't there in the morning. But I had it today. Today felt good for an early morning lift. But yeah, like I said, strength isn't usually there, low energy. You really got to... I just find that you got to stretch a little bit more in the morning, get your body warmed up, hit the treadmill, 10, 15 minutes, get into your workout, do some stretching, maybe some foam rolling, and then hit it hard.

Jayton Miller:
They usually say about 150 milligrams of caffeine is what you need to stimulate the CNS in the mornings too.

Zach Siegel:
Yeah. I think at timed it pretty well with the Miracle Morning, the Zuum, five minute drive to the gym, hit the treadmill for a little bit, and then I was ready to go after it.

Jayton Miller:
Heck yeah. So what's your favorite lifting equipment?

Zach Siegel:
Lifting equipment? I mean, I like the tried and true, the barbell. The barbell, the dumbbells. Are you talking equipment in terms of belts? I don't know, wrist straps, wraps.

Jayton Miller:
Yeah, we can do favorite equipment in the gym and then favorite equipment that you take to the gym.

Zach Siegel:
Okay, cool. So yeah, I would say the equipment that I use... I mean, I like to use a little bit of everything. I mean, it's all there at your disposal, so might as well take advantage of it. I think certain things are really good, especially if you're not... I guess it all depends on how you feel that day as well. For instance, Rob and I are working on... I mean, we're all working on that bulking program right now for for UMZU Fit, coming soon. So I'm trying different phases, like a chest phase or your neck and traps. So trying to incorporate movements every day for a certain target area. So if you want a bigger chest you're going to do inclined bench press, you're going to do the flat bench press.

Zach Siegel:
But then on other days, that might be your shoulder focus day, still incorporating chest movements, but then maybe inclined chest machine press and getting a little bit higher volume seems to work. I've been cutting for a while for peak aesthetics and everything, so I was really just bare bones and it was just barbell stuff and then dumbbells. No machines. I was just really doing... Stripped it, really minimal workout so I wouldn't increase my appetite or not have the correct fuel for the workout, I guess. So now that I'm eating more, I have, "Oh, let me try out these different toys in the gym." And it's been a lot of fun to just blast different areas of the back. High rows, low rows, doing cable stuff, dumbbell rows, Pendlay rows, everything, and just trying to hit it in different areas, and then... It's more fun, definitely, if you're eating more calories and see your strength go up, that's for sure.

Jayton Miller:
Yeah. Have you been incorporating any of the GPP work that we talked about?

Zach Siegel:
Yeah. So I've been doing that on my off days, the 50 pushups and what are the... Svend press?

Jayton Miller:
Yeah, the Svend press.

Zach Siegel:
Yeah, those seem to really hit the chest pretty nice.

Jayton Miller:
Yeah. For those of you listening, that's the one where you have the plate in between your hands and you press together and it's basically just a press on a flat bench or incline. Super good for the chest.

Zach Siegel:
Yeah. And then even... I mean here in Boulder, Gym Number Five has some really cool stuff that, now that we could try some different power lifting type equipment that I've never seen in your typical 24 hour Life Time gyms, which is pretty fun. What's your favorite equipment?

Jayton Miller:
Right now dumbbells is probably my favorite equipment. I just like getting the biggest dumbbells that we have and tossing them around and everybody looks over like, "Oh, he doesn't look like he can do that."

Zach Siegel:
Right. That's pretty fun, doing that RPT style stuff where you just pick up dumbbells and you're like, "I feel pretty good." It gives you a nice little ego boost, I guess. Especially if you can perform them with good reps. Because you don't want to be that guy that's like, "Ah." Like, "Yeah, he's trying to lift 120 pound dumbbells, but his form's jack." When you could do it with proper form, you're like, "Shit, that's pretty cool." Doing five, six reps there.

Jayton Miller:
Yeah. So what's your favorite equipment that you take to the gym?

Zach Siegel:
I got to have a dip belt. I hope we make one someday. Right now, since I'm trying to bulk up, do some heavy neck and trap stuff, I'm using some grip stuff, wrist straps? Because I've been doing rack pulls, and the grip is a limiting factor on that. I definitely need to work on my grip strength, but I don't want to not lift heavy. So I got to keep those in the gym bag so my grip isn't a limiting factor. Because it's not about, I guess... I can lift the weight, it's just my hands will give out after doing two, three reps at super high weight. Especially since I came from a cut, I'm not used to lifting this heavy. And now that I'm like, "Oh, I feel really good. I have the energy to be able to do this." I need some support there.

Jayton Miller:
I really want to try the Versa Gripps. Those ones where the little leather piece that comes up and around.

Zach Siegel:
I think that'd be nice. especially a finisher, if you're doing back and then you wanted to do pull ups at the very end, because that seems to be another thing where my grip just goes out, where I could do probably six, seven more pull ups, but then my hands just don't do it.

Jayton Miller:
Inverted rows is really good for that too.

Zach Siegel:
That's a good point.

Jayton Miller:
Getting super high volume on inverted rows. I like that a lot.

Zach Siegel:
What else?

Jayton Miller:
You got a new belt?

Zach Siegel:
I did. I got a lifting belt. I was doing rack pulls a day and I felt my lower back was going to break. I kind of want some more support there, and I feel like since I am trying to go heavier, I want to get one of these belts to incline press more reps. Because I feel like just incorporating these small little things can give me an extra rep or two in this lean bulk that will really be beneficial than not using it. Or if I was in a cut I wasn't worried about it because my reps were pretty low and my energy was low too. But now that I'm trying to be super optimal about things, I want to bench press with a belt and really have that core stability there in standing press, rack pools, dead lifts, squats, doing everything with a belt, trying to the wrist straps, the grip to get that up there. Yeah, I'm going to test it out and see how it goes, but I'm excited.

Jayton Miller:
Heck yeah. And you've got the Rise latchable belt, didn't you.

Zach Siegel:
Yeah, it's like a lever belt I think. So it's really easy to get on and off. You just pull the lever and then it just comes apart. I think those are really good. I've seen some videos about them. Seem to have some nice reviews. I'll test it out though.

Jayton Miller:
I'm excited to see how you like it. I'm going to have to pick me up one.

Zach Siegel:
Yeah, you can try it once I get it. It's $99. I think it was 103 with tax and stuff, but it seems like it's a good investment if I want to be really serious about this and I want to hit all the supplements. I'm eating more, so I'm trying to be more diligent. I'm tracking everything. I'm still getting into my steps. I'm just trying to be super optimal. I'm eating full Thermo, so it's going to be fun.

Jayton Miller:
So what was your favorite equipment whenever the gyms were closed down?

Zach Siegel:
I was doing body weight stuff, so it was easy to... I was just using Bodylastics bands. I was doing higher volume. I was using what I had. Some videos that Chris put on the channel of just looking at things or objects as like, "Oh, you could use this to lift. Here's a little ridge on a wall. I could do pull ups here. Or I could do a handstand pushup here. Or feet elevated pushups. Just being more creative. And that's pretty easy for me since that's basically my job here at UMZU. So looking at things, it was a different challenge for sure, but it did the job. My calories were pretty low, so I was just trying to shed some weight, and I thought it was super easy with doing the body weight stuff.

Zach Siegel:
And then Rob was making the program, so I was doing his program, just trying to be a gymnast, I guess. It was fun. It was way different and I didn't think that I would get that strong from doing body weight exercises, or I thought I was going to be really weak going back to the gym. But I found out that after a week or two, my weights were right back to normal after doing body weight stuff, so there wasn't that big of a drop. I guess it was just more about the muscle memory of the movement itself.

Jayton Miller:
So since you're adding in more calories, is your frequency going to go up any?

Zach Siegel:
Yeah, I'm working out four times. Four to five times a week. It just really depends, because I'm doing... I'm doing the bulking program that we're making right now, but then I'm also adding in some neck and trap stuff at the end. So I'm trying to decide if I want to tack that on at the end of a workout or just keep it on its own day. So yesterday the gym was really packed, I just got in my normal routine, and then this morning I went in there and did neck and trap, really trying to build that neck and the traps.

Zach Siegel:
But it seemed to work a little bit better because after doing the workout that I did yesterday, it was higher volume, and then thinking about it now in hindsight, if I would have did that workout and then try to do rack pulls and then overhead shrugs and then some neck and trap stuff, some neck curls and some neck extensions, I probably wouldn't have the energy. Because I was fasted, it was at the end of the day, it was after work. And I don't think I had the energy. So I think I'm going to work out five times a week.

Jayton Miller:
Heck yeah. And are the workouts themselves just going to be shorter?

Zach Siegel:
Yeah, they'll just be shorter, which I think is... I'll be able to dive in and really take warm-up sets even more serious, because when you're at the gym and you see a machine open, you're like, "I got to go." You kind of got to finish up the set that you're doing there and then try to jump on the next thing. So I think it's better. It's more optimal to just keep the workout shorter, a little bit shorter, and then just hit the things that I'm really trying to work on, my focus, the neck and trap phase and really focus on those on a separate day.

Jayton Miller:
So in your workouts, do you ever experiment with different kinds of rest times? Do you have different rest times for-

Zach Siegel:
Different exercises?

Jayton Miller:
Yeah, for your key movements versus your accessory movements?

Zach Siegel:
Yeah. I would say the key movements, definitely seeing benefits of three minutes for sure. And I don't see any benefit. I've tried five minutes, but I don't really see any difference from three to five, but definitely there's a difference between two to three I found. So yeah, the key exercises, three minutes maximum, if you feel good and you want to go to... Basically two to three minutes, but I'd suggest three minutes. And then any isolation work is really one to two. Really trying to get the volume in there, the blood flow to the muscles. I find that pretty beneficial.

Jayton Miller:
Heck yeah. What about on GPP days?

Zach Siegel:
I like to do no rest, kind of super set it. If we're doing 50 pushups, hit the 50 pushups and then go straight into the Svend press there, and then do 50 of those and then rest three minutes, and then attack that again, which is nice. And then the face pulls too. What is it, face pulls, the bicep curls, or...

Jayton Miller:
Or upright rows.

Zach Siegel:
Upright rows. That's what it is. So I really do the burn there. It just depends on what you're trying to achieve, I guess, of rest periods. It's fun to play around with, and really feel the muscles differently. If you're really trying to find the contraction or the mind to muscle connection, I really to take it.... I mean, if we're doing the GGP work or GPP.

Jayton Miller:
GPP.

Zach Siegel:
Yeah, that's what it is. I get it. I always say it wrong. You can feel the mind muscle connection there, but then I like feeling the burn at the same time. But say if I was doing a key exercise, I definitely want to give it my best effort and make sure I'm recovered to make sure that I'm going up and way, I'm progressing, progressive overload, I'm resting, and then I'm just constantly seeing those micro gains week after week, which is fun. I just have a great time in the gym right now.

Jayton Miller:
Heck yeah. So for the listeners out there who don't really know what GPP is, can you tell them why you're doing it?

Zach Siegel:
Do you want to explain? You're the research cowboy?

Jayton Miller:
GPP is basically just general physical preparedness, and basically on the days that you're not lifting, you do something that is targeting a specific muscle group for extremely high volume in order to bring that muscle group up. So say for instance your biceps and your traps are lacking, then you can do upright rows or some kind of shrugs for very high reps, really lightweight that's not going to take back your recovery for the next workout that you're going into. But at the same time, it's still allowing for different kinds of metabolites to get into the muscle, different kinds of nutrients to get into the muscle and stuff like that, and you're just working it, developing that mind muscle connection and integrating it a little bit better into the nervous system, those movement patterns and stuff like that.

Zach Siegel:
How long have you been experimenting with that?

Jayton Miller:
Honestly, I basically did GPP type stuff all throughout quarantine. So I was doing five sets of 75 pushups to five sets of 50 upright rows. I would do them every single day because I didn't have anything else to do and I was like, "I got to do something." Actually noticed that I think my size increased just a little bit from doing that high volume every single day. But long-term, it gets super boring because it's super repetitive.

Zach Siegel:
But it's nice to throw in there. I think it's nice having a strength day and then a hypertrophy day. I like mixing in the volume like that. And I like week to week basis changing the rep movements. I mean, it all depends. I mean in isolation type exercises on the second half, the key exercises mainly always stay the same, unless I'm switching between dumbbell and barbell, but then the second set of exercises, that second wave there, I like to mess around with higher reps, lower reps, and then figure out... I don't know if you've tried this. RPE.

Jayton Miller:
Yeah, a little bit.

Zach Siegel:
It's kind of interesting.

Jayton Miller:
What is it? Reps per... Reps to perceived exhaustion or exertion.

Zach Siegel:
It's interesting because I've been... I'm going to try it out on this bulk and see how I it because I've been doing the RPT style stuff for so long that sometimes I feel like you're not ready to have that five pound jump, and then you seem to have a plateau there. Where RPE allows you to walk into the gym, and if you're not feeling 100%, say you're doing RPE eight, which means you're going to do it until you know that you have two reps still in the tank. So depending on the day it can change. So if you're not an eight, this one day with two reps in the tank could be two less reps in the time that you did it before. It's all just based on you and how you feel walking into the gym, which is different. I think that's right.

Jayton Miller:
I would say that for beginners I definitely wouldn't do that just because you don't know your body that well. You don't really know what your limits are to push to. And a lot of the times people tend to underestimate their ability to failure. But if you're experienced, it's definitely something to experiment with.

Zach Siegel:
Yeah, if you're intermediate to what, advanced, I would say, if that was something that you wanted to tackle or go... I was reading about it too. There's a way to do RPE in terms of sets. You would use RPE, and you'd have a set amount of sets. Say you're doing... I guess, let's say you're doing bench press, or squats, and then you have... I'm going to hit 12 reps, but you don't know how many sets you're going to do. You're going to do RPE until you have two reps left in the tank, depending on how many sets. So one day you could do three sets, but the other day you might do five. You're like, "All right, I hit it where I can't do two more reps." So there's a different balance. It's interesting.

Jayton Miller:
So in that, would you do 12 reps, 12 reps, 12 reps, and then 11 reps, and then whenever you hit 10 reps on that last set, that's whenever you would stop?

Zach Siegel:
I would say maybe it's not 12 reps, maybe it's 10 to 12 with an RPE of eight, and you would do it until, you know that on that last set you're like, "I got two reps left in the tank. I can't do anymore." And then it might be five sets. It could be two sets. It could be 10 sets.

Jayton Miller:
How do you get motivated to go to the gym on a consistent basis?

Zach Siegel:
That's a good question, because sometimes, I'll be honest, when you're in a cut, sometimes you're just like, "I don't feel going." The motivation, it saps your willpower sometimes. And I think you can play games with yourself if you listen to your mind too much when you're just like... You just got to go. But I don't know. What do you do to motivate yourself?

Jayton Miller:
Honestly, at this point in my life it's just discipline. I just tell myself to stop being a wuss and put in the work.

Zach Siegel:
That's kind of where I'm at too, because I don't know if I'm... Even if I don't feel it, I still go because I find that if you go and then you do your first set and you're still not feeling it, maybe it's not your day, but at least you showed up. I think that's the biggest thing.

Jayton Miller:
Honestly, I don't think I've ever gone to the gym and been like, "Damn, I shouldn't have done that."

Zach Siegel:
Exactly. I agree. Once you show up and you start getting the reps in there, you naturally just feel better. And then you're like, "All right, I'm going to make it through this workout." Even if it is a grind, I still try to give it a 10 out of 10 every time, even though if my 10 out of the 10 is really a 7 that day. I still gave it a 10 out of 10, even with how I felt. And I still showed up. I still put it in the work. And I know that at the end of the day it's going to get me towards my goal, whatever that is, if it's building muscle, losing fat, gaining weight, or losing weight. Whatever it is, I think you just got to show up, put in the work, and then keep going, because you'll feel better. You really will.

Jayton Miller:
Definitely. So do you have a workout partner?

Zach Siegel:
I go to the gym with Rob about every day, but we don't necessarily work out together. We show up at the same time, so we keep each other account... It's like having a workout partner, but you do your own workout. He's got different goals than I do, but we keep each other accountable by just going to the gym, showing up, doing the work, and then we usually end up around the same time. Because he's got different goals with his body weight stuff, and he's trying out body weight and hybrid, body weight with some weight training, while I'm just trying to get fucking huge. It's fun. It's definitely fun. We come up with different ideas. We'll shoot videos for UMZU Fit and stuff there. Just keeping each other accountable and really just having fun. How about yourself?

Jayton Miller:
No, I work out by myself that. Honestly, I don't even like to look at people whenever I'm in the gym. I will stare at the floor for three minutes in between my sets just so I don't have to look at anybody. I don't know, for some reason, as soon as I walk through that door, I'm angry. I don't know why.

Zach Siegel:
At everybody, at the world.

Jayton Miller:
It's just like nothing else is supposed to exist except for the work that I'm supposed to put in right now.

Zach Siegel:
I get mad sometimes too. Maybe I'm mean to people. Like, "You're using that?" I'm like, "No, bro."

Jayton Miller:
I don't know. It's probably not a good mindset to have, but I just walk in there and just... It's just time to work. And whenever I see people talking in the gym, I'm like, "You need to stop."

Zach Siegel:
Well that's the thing. I have my phone with me so I can track my workouts, but I see people on there texting or they're on Instagram, they're calling somebody, they're talking to people. I'm like, "Get off that machine because I want to use it. Stop doing this." Gym etiquette is huge to me. Especially when I'm in a cut and I'm like, "I want to eat after this workout." And you're just like, "What is going on? Get off this." But now that I'm in a bulk, I'm like... I'm trying to get in more volume, but when people are taking the stuff I'm just waiting around. Especially with COVID and stuff. You got to wear a mask and it's annoying, but it is what it is. So it seems my workouts take forever.

Jayton Miller:
Yeah. I get that. So has your cardio changed between cutting and bulking?

Zach Siegel:
Not too much. I would say I'm just... I don't do too much cardio. I don't run, I don't really do HIT stuff. I literally just try to get in 10,000 steps a day. That's all I do. It's pretty easy that way. It's not too stressful on me and I don't feel like I have to do anything else. It's not a like [inaudible 00:25:00] workout where I'm going to go to the gym just to do this HIT. I know there's advantages to it and stuff, but for me, if I'm going to the gym, I'm going to lift some weight. And if I'm not at the gym, I'm going to make sure that I hit 10,000 steps. Even if I go to the gym, I still make sure that on that day that I hit my 10,000 steps just to stay active.

Zach Siegel:
I walk to the grocery store just about every day to pick up food and then walk back. It takes a lot of time, I'm not going to lie, but I have a lot of time to myself to think and listen to books or podcasts or think about work. What could I do to basically evolve, to be better. Plus I get a lot of inspiration on walks, just being outside. You see things and I'm like, "Oh." You get inspired. And then I can go back home and then just jump on the computer. Because I do a lot of sitting at work. So being behind the computer screen, I don't get that much activity when I'm at work. Usually when I leave here I'm like, "Oh man, I only got 400 steps today." That's walking to the bathroom and back. What do you like to do?

Jayton Miller:
Jump rope's always fun, whenever I do get around to it. And now it's just walking. Or doing the dirty every once in a while, but sometimes...

Zach Siegel:
What's that?

Jayton Miller:
Doing the dirty? Sex.

Zach Siegel:
Got it.

Jayton Miller:
That's my HIT training. What's your favorite podcast?

Zach Siegel:
I've been listening to a lot of books lately. Podcasts though, this one, of course, the Thermo Diet Podcast. I listen to this one all the time, dude. I'm trying to think. I listen to Joe Rogan stuff every now and then. I like to listen to some comedians.

Jayton Miller:
King It or Sting It, baby.

Zach Siegel:
I the Rat King, Theo Von, I like Brendan Schaub. I like 2 Bears 1 Cave. I really like Tom Segura. Bert Kreischer' funny too.

Jayton Miller:
I Bert Kreischer.

Zach Siegel:
Yeah, those guys... It's fun to just listen to those guys talk, not take life too seriously. Sometimes it's really nice to just decompress, walk. Some people I know look at me so weird because I'll be laughing to myself. They're like, "What is wrong with this guy?"

Jayton Miller:
That's funny. So how do you track your workouts?

Zach Siegel:
So there's a few different things I use. Right now I'm just using... Actually right now I actually converted back to pen and paper, a notebook book. Tracking them down.

Jayton Miller:
Do you take that to the gym with you?

Zach Siegel:
Yep.

Jayton Miller:
Nice.

Zach Siegel:
Yep. I got a binder and then I printed out the workouts, the PDFs that we have. Download them on UMZU Fit. I print those guys out and I take them to the gym and I'm tracking them, and I can look back. But for the most part, back in the day, not even back in the day, a few weeks ago, I was just using my notes and just copy and paste the workout. I've messed around with Notion. It's an app where you can basically build anything, really.

Jayton Miller:
What was that one with the elephant that you were using for a while?

Zach Siegel:
Evernote, I think.

Jayton Miller:
Evernote, yeah.

Zach Siegel:
There's Evernote, there's Notion. I like notion because it's fully customizable. And like I building things that. I mean, I've used Asana for my workouts.

Jayton Miller:
I used the Strong app for a really long time, but the free trial only lets you make three workouts and I've been working out four days a week for quite a while now. So I can't put my fourth workout in there, so why should I use it?

Zach Siegel:
Yeah. I think I've downloaded that, but I always feel too restricted. I feel like I have OCD sometimes where if it's not the exact workout, I don't feel like it counts and I'm like, "I can't use this thing." I would rather just type it in myself.

Jayton Miller:
What are some in the little tips that you put in your notes? For instance, whenever I'm doing an exercise and I noticed that this weight is a little too much, I'll put in parentheses "stay," and so the next week-

Zach Siegel:
I do the same thing. I like to use emojis too. I use the arrows. I'd be like, "Go down in weight," or next week, "Go up. Thumbs up." Just little things that to keep me motivated. But I always do that. Even if I hit the top end of a rep range, say I'm going to incline bench and I hit six reps, but that way it was like... I'm like, "You should stay another week." I'm really trying to make sure that I don't lie to myself and always keep myself on target because then I might get discouraged if I try to go up in weight and I get three reps. I don't even hit the bottom, and I'm like, "What did I do? How did I hit that last week?" But then looking back at it, copy paste and it's like, "Stay, hit six again, prove it." And then I did that. If I do it again, then I'm like, "All right, now let's bump it up and hit four." So it's just little things that that I just keep keep track of. So you do the same thing? That's funny.

Jayton Miller:
Yeah, I do. I'm going to start implementing the emojis though. I haven't done that. I'm going to start adding that in there.

Zach Siegel:
I think it keeps you motivated, especially if you're feeling well. Because you could put... I haven't tried this, I usually use the arrows and stuff, but you could probably put a face next to it. A smiley face means that you could have your own little chart there.

Jayton Miller:
Yeah, like a little code for yourself?

Zach Siegel:
You could use the middle finger if you're like, "Fuck this one." If you don't hit the reps. Go down weight. Yeah, what else you want to talk about?

Jayton Miller:
What's the number one tip that you would give somebody in UMZU Fit right now?

Zach Siegel:
I would say the number one thing is... I know we have a lot of programs in there, but I would say not to program hop. Consistency is going to be the biggest thing. I would say go through all the programs, see which one you would want to do the most, what your goals are. Stick to that for the what, 12 weeks. I don't know if all the programs are 12 weeks, but I would stick to it for at least three months. So that's my biggest thing. Because if you keep going back and forth it, I don't want people to get discouraged. If you have a goal, set that goal. Don't try to do too many things at once. Really just simplify everything. Hit that one thing and then move on.

Jayton Miller:
Definitely. Honestly, most things are going to work as long as you're consistent with it. So just stick to one thing and be consistent with it. It'll work.

Zach Siegel:
Yeah. That the biggest thing. I mean, it goes from taking supplements to lifting weights, is an analogy that I to use. In terms of exercise, if you want a bigger back, you're going to have to focus on it. If you want to improve your gut health, you're really going to have to do it. It's like, "Oh, you're going to do this one workout that hits everything." That's not optimal. It's the same thing if you're going to take a multivitamin. It's not optimal. You're not going to get the right amount, the right dosage, the right form in this multivitamin. They might be cutting corners. And I feel like that's the same thing in doing certain lifting routines.

Zach Siegel:
There's not a one size fits all. You got to look at it for yourself and then see what your lacking muscle parts are, or your body parts, and then really hone in on that, dedicate yourself to a certain amount of time before you move on. Because you can't do everything. That's the same way I approach health. If I want to improve gut health, I got to eat these certain foods, fermented foods, and then I want to take my probiotic, take some ACV, and then correct that, and then take something else. That's what I think about it, but people might disagree.

Jayton Miller:
Well, thanks for being on the podcast, Z.

Zach Siegel:
A pleasure, man.

Jayton Miller:
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