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The Thermo Diet Podcast Episode 72 - Thermo Warrior Group Podcast

The Thermo Diet Podcast Episode 72 - Thermo Warrior Group Podcast

In this episode of The Thermo Diet Podcast Jayton Miller sits down with 3 of the OG Thermo Diet enthusiasts. Jake Miner, Colin Ricco, and Gina Lopez have transformed their lives using the principles found within the Thermo Diet and by following Christopher Walker and some of Jayton Miller's work throughout the years. In this episode, they talk about how their journeys started, things that have made the biggest impact on their journeys, and so much more. Check it out and let us know what you think!

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Full Transcript:

Jayton Miller:
Welcome back to The Thermo Diet Podcast. I'm your host, Jayton Miller. And today, I have on the podcast ... I actually have a group podcast today, Mr. Jake Miner, Colin Ricco, and Gina Lopez. So these are three of the most thermo of the thermo warriors. Jake is actually known as the Thermo Warrior inside of the Thermo Diet community. We talk about some of the best tips that we had whenever we were going through our health journey. Some of the best tips that we are currently utilizing in our health journey.

Jayton Miller:
We also talk about some of our best activators, some of our favorite supplements, and a whole host of things. So there are some really good golden nuggets in here. So I'm really looking forward to you all being able to listen to this one. So let's dive in. How's it going today, guys? I am here with none other than Jake Miner, Gina Lopez, and Colin Ricco. How are you all doing today?

Colin Ricco:
Doing great.

Jake Miner:
Doing well.

Gina Lopez:
Excellent.

Jake Miner:
Very excited to be in the presence of greatness.

Jayton Miller:
Definitely. So for the listeners out there, do you all mind just giving a brief introduction of who you all are, and how you all got here?

Gina Lopez:
Sure. My name is Gina Lopez, and I am, I would say a SIBO Slayer. I am by day a urban planner and by night, a Thermo warrior, I would say that. SIBOs slayer, because I was diagnosed with SIBO last year, and I have slayed it, overcome it, and UMZU. I am keeping my gut healthy and clean. So I'm living the good life now, now that I've got back my health optimized, and I'm just enjoying life now. Actually, just keeping my health going strong. So keeping up with you and Jake.

Jayton Miller:
I hear.

Jake Miner:
Awesome. All right. My name's Jake Miner, if you guys don't already know me. You can definitely find me in the Thermo Group. A lot of people reference me as the Thermo Warrior. My story, years ago I started playing around with synthetic over-the-counter testosterone. And from that point my health just spiraled all the way down from financial issues, parenting issues, until one day I found Christopher Walker about five years ago. And fast forward, five years later, I work for UMZU. I love helping people optimize their health. It's my thing. I love connecting the dots, and my life has absolutely changed for the better. And I've been a big part of helping hundreds of other people change their lives the same way I changed my life.

Colin Ricco:
Awesome. My name's Colin Ricco. Very similar to Jake's story, a few years ago I was in an extremely stressed out state. In and out of the hospital ever since I was a young buck. Pretty much just complete American standard diet, loaded with polyunsaturated fats, estrogen, always aggravated, irritated very fast, pounding the soy milk, almond milk, peanut butter, you name it. It wasn't till maybe three or four years ago when Thermo Diet came out, and Christopher Walker and the company came out with that diet is when I started taking more into consideration about my health.

Colin Ricco:
And that was pretty much the catalyst to help me put myself in the right direction. And ever since then, it's been an amazing journey. And now I just hope to share some of those things that I learn along the way, and still learning with other people in the similar boat.

Jayton Miller:
Definitely. What do you all think is the biggest tip that you all initially took advantage of whenever you all got into Thermo, and then what is something that you all are playing around with now?

Gina Lopez:
I would say the biggest tip, that's ... Wow. Maybe a couple, but I would say tied for number one, because I cannot pick just one, is the thermo diet and not being stressed out about everything you're doing. So the stress, the high cortisol, how it affects so much in your body. That's huge. It's big. It's common for us Americans just to stress out about work, stress out about whatever you're doing as you're in the search for the optimal health or optimizing your health, but the thermo diet as well.

Gina Lopez:
The principles that are in the thermo diet, you learn about polyunsaturated fats, PUFAs, you learn about increasing carbs, which are demonized by the world's sugar. Something simple as orange juice. I couldn't pick just one. I would say the thermo diet in its entirety as one, because there's too many components there. But as well as stress, because I've done that myself. Stressed out about, why is it my health improving? I did something yesterday. The next day I should be healed. And not stressing out about that, but knowing it's a process, it's a journey.

Gina Lopez:
I didn't lose my health overnight. I might be struggling to get to the next level, but it didn't happen overnight. So if it took time to get there, it's going to take time to heal. So stress and thermo diet would be my top two.

Jayton Miller:
Definitely. Good point.

Jake Miner:
David, can you run over that question one more time? I lost my internet. It cut out there when you were talking.

Jayton Miller:
Yeah. So the biggest tip that initially helped you out on your thermo journey, and then one of the biggest things that you're focusing on now.

Jake Miner:
So one of the biggest tips that really helped me in one of Chris's old videos, he mentions, the long road is the fast road. So with my health issue that I was dealing with, I was trying to cut corners and take synthetic testosterone and try to get bigger faster. And taking that approach to every aspect of my life. Hey, you need to slow down, do this thing, right. Don't cut any corners. And as I threw that into my life, everything just got better. So I hit the thermo lifestyle, I did it right. I did everything down to a T. And as I did everything right and I didn't cut any corners, I watched my health go from one end of the spectrum to the other.

Jake Miner:
One of the things that I found successful for me too is concentrating on really ramping down that estrogen, because I came from an estrogen-dominant system. So I took a deep dive into what things are estrogenic and what things help down-regulate estrogen. And as I really dove into that, which is also a big part of thermo and a big part of Chris' work over the years is hormone optimization.

Jake Miner:
So I became an expert on how to methylate excess estrogen. What are the ways? What are the benefits of things like Btin? That it donates an extra molecule to bind with estrogen, and you can methylate it out of your system. Also, choline does the same thing that's great at down-regulating estrogen. One of my favorite things, and probably one of all you guys' favorite things is orange juice. As I delve into more of the hormone optimization, orange juice is great for bringing down the estrogen.

Jake Miner:
Another great thing is coffee. Another one of my favorite things is aspirin. And as I just keyed in on down-regulating that estrogen because my estrogen levels were so high. They were out of control. I was skinny fat. I was spiraling down in that estrogen dominant state. Also, concentrate on workouts that improve your hormone function. This is also another big part of thermo. So are you getting your weighted dips? And when I was doing weighted dips, and you're getting that hormone response, this was awesome. I felt that this really helped me.

Jake Miner:
Recently, I've added in the front lever, and I'm also getting ... You can feel the hormone response when you're actually doing the front lever in the gym and you do a set of five. It feels like you just did a muscle-up. So concentrating on things like that. Resistance training is another thing that boost hormone function. Another thing I really like, I've added as of late is the kettlebell swings. Another thing I've also added in ... Actually last week, I was talking to Colin about this, is the cling.

Jake Miner:
So if you're going into that whole full body movement, you're also helping boost your hormone function, and you're also concentrated on that estrogen. So those are two of the things that really helped me. Also, I find when I'm giving people advice like, "Hey, I'm in the stress state," that's one of the key staples of the thermo diet for me. And a lot of my advice to others is, really concentrate on bringing down their estrogen levels, all kinds of ways through diet, supplementation, and your workouts. Things like walking, even sunlight, spending time in nature. Those things are great for everyone to know, and everyone to add in. So those are two of my big ones.

Jayton Miller:
Awesome.

Colin Ricco:
I guess my tip would be, especially when starting off is establishing that foundation, especially when you're new to the thermo diet or whether you're new to just improving your health in general, it can be a bit overwhelming, especially if you're just diving headfirst into bioenergetics, there's a lot to go over with the hormones and so on and so forth. So for me, I think it was establishing a really good foundation with my nutrition is what I think was definitely a huge key. Making sure that the nutrition was on point as well as my sleep, how was my stress?

Colin Ricco:
And then once I established that foundation is ... And where I'm at now is now I can start branching off into different things. So when you master the foundation, now you can start focusing on things like a thyroid, estrogen, sleep, energy, so on and so forth. Digestion is huge. So for me, it's just really getting that foundation going, making sure that you start first with the diet and then you start looking at what we call blockers. So looking at blockers and seeing what you can eliminate now. Not get too crazy about it, but small changes over time, I think makes a huge impact.

Jayton Miller:
Definitely. Should I be answering these questions as well? That is one comment that we've gotten in the past is I tend to ask questions and not answer them. Is that something that we should do?

Jake Miner:
Yeah. I think it's beneficial-

Gina Lopez:
It is.

Jake Miner:
... for the viewers to see what you're doing too. So yeah, definitely.

Gina Lopez:
Because I love when I get to hear what new things you're doing.

Jayton Miller:
Right. Sounds good. Let's see. I would say initially one of the biggest things that helped me was focusing on my gut health. So whenever I was in my lowest state of health, I struggled with constipation extremely bad. And once I finally got consistency within my bowel movements and paid attention to what foods were causing me to be stopped up versus what foods were actually working with my body was something that was very beneficial in my journey.

Jayton Miller:
For instance, unripe bananas was something that I was eating pretty consistently just because I was a college student, and bananas are extremely cheap and they taste relatively decent. So I would eat those, and then I finally made the connection after I didn't need them for a few days because I just didn't make it to the store, and my digestion got better. So just simple things like that as far as my gut health was concerned definitely made a huge difference in my day to day.

Jayton Miller:
And I would say one of the things that I'm focusing on is I actually just got a negative ion generator. So I'm focusing on air purity and seeing how the negative ion generation affects my sleep. So I think just experimenting with little tweaks like that is very good, especially since we've had all the fires and stuff in Colorado, the air quality isn't as good as it usually is. So just trying to make sure that I get the best air as possible is something that I've been focusing on. And it's actually already made a difference as far as my ... I don't wake up with as much pressure in the front part of my head these past few days. So that's been interesting.

Gina Lopez:
I forgot to add. There's something now that I'm doing. I mentioned I've put it on UMZUfit platform. I did mention it there, but the NuCalm. NuCalm is something you use to, I wouldn't really say meditate, but you feel like you're in a meditative state, but I didn't bring it out. But you put a little disc on your P4. I think it's one of your rhythms, circadian rhythm. One of the rhythms or one of the pressure points, but you wear your headphones, you hear this certain soundtrack that they have, and these sounds are the ones that they calm you down, bring down your ... What is it? That biggest nerve, that fight-or-flight. I've been working on doing it daily.

Gina Lopez:
I telework from home, so I should be. There's no reason why I shouldn't, but I get a little too into my work. So I have that little ... What is it? Workaholic that I'm fighting. But anyhow, when I do get to use NuCalm, it changes my entire day. My sleep that night is incredible, because I go sound asleep, but I spend 20 minutes wearing that disc and it totally calms me down. The sound's there. All I do is just sit there. I start noticing my breathing, and when I notice it starts changing, that's when I'm like, "Oh my God. I'm in a complete, just total relaxation state."

Gina Lopez:
And I feel too my gut has calmed down, because that's how I tend to hold my stress, but it helps me observe my stress so that I can stop and go, wait, is that stress coming along? Is it coming down to the way? Is it going to latch onto me or I can just watch it, push it away and go, no, keep going stress. Not for me. Not today. I don't want you? So it's actually helped me because I'm optimizing my health. I'm doing the things, checking my temperature, but yet now I'm bringing it down ... Thank you, Jake Miner. Reminding me to not focus on the stress, focus on the long journey.

Gina Lopez:
I'm going to get there, but that NuCalm has really helped me throughout my day. My days are always calmer when I NuCalm, but I can see it all the way around. So I like that NuCalm. It's a pretty big investment to get into, but it really does pay off. So then sporadic sleeping or insomnia that sometimes I'd have, it's gone. It really helps me out. And it's just something you put on, you do 20 minutes a day. I do it in the middle of the day. If I know I'm going to have a busy day, like if I'm out and about, then I'll do it right when I wake up. So I'll add 20 minutes of ... It's not sleep. It's just listening to it, but I can feel my entire body just level.

Gina Lopez:
And I take it off and I'm like, "Oh, what happened?" Okay. Someone could be burglarizing me. And I go, "Well, this is not a good thing to do. But if you're going to do like that, please don't take my favorite painting or something." But I don't feel that ... And normally, I am a Type A person, so I'm ready to go, take charge, take the initiative, but at least I can bring down that stress level and focus on whatever right in front of me. So I like it.

Jayton Miller:
Have you tried combining that with any light therapy, so like sunlight or red light therapy?

Gina Lopez:
No, I just started adding red light, because that's the next thing I want to do, but I've made the purchase with the NuCalm, which is not a small price tag. So new red light's next, but no, I haven't tried it with that. But I do use a friend of mine's, once a week. I use her red light. So I was thinking of taking it when I do that, because I'm going to be using it tomorrow morning. Tomorrow morning I'll be at her place doing the red light.

Jayton Miller:
That'd be-

Gina Lopez:
And I also add methylene blue when I do the red light though.

Jayton Miller:
Heck yeah. That's awesome.

Gina Lopez:
Good.

Jayton Miller:
I've also heard that the Apollo Neuro is a good tool to use. Well, I'm not sure how similar it is to the NuCalm, but it's just another one of those bio-hacking agents to help reduce stress. It's interesting. So as far as supplementation, what's some stuff that you all have noticed that has been beneficial for you all?

Jake Miner:
4G.

Jayton Miller:
I know for me personally, I do notice that vitamin D was a big one, and then combining that with vitamin K-

Gina Lopez:
Oh yes.

Jayton Miller:
... made a significant difference in my cognition and then topping it off with magnesium was a very noticeable effect on my stress levels. And I would say my anxiety as well. I find myself not being as anxious and as tense whenever I'm in certain situations. So those have been some big ones for me, but what about you all?

Jake Miner:
With me, kind of the same thing. Maybe about three months ago, I added androsterone from IdeaLabs. And I wasn't doing it to expect a huge testosterone boost. But one thing I do notice is how much it increases your GABA. So I always sleep good. I've been sleeping good for probably four years. I sleep nine hours, 10 hours a night, maybe more on the weekends, but my dreams are unbelievable when I'm supplementing with the androsterone, how it really increases your GABA.

Jake Miner:
And then another thing, like you mentioned, I've been also taking the vitamin A, D, K, and E, and I just feel overall better, as well as the liquid magnesium. So I first started out with just, I think it's 333 milligrams for the one dose. Now I'm up to taking it three different times a day. My cognition is better. I also feel from adding the liquid magnesium before my workouts, my muscles actually perform better in the gym. And another thing I've added in is the liquid pregnenolone.

Jake Miner:
So you're supposed to add it in different times a day, because it is pretty strong and you can get a lightheaded effect, which I did because I tried a megadose when I first got it. I'm always trying things. That's how thermo warriors are. But with the pregnenolone, our stress known, I'm so distressed. I'm already not a stressed out person in the first place, but I have two kids, I work full-time, life's busy, everything could get stressful. Everything can be stressful.

Jake Miner:
But when I add that in, it's almost like a euphoric feeling. And I'm completely less reactive. Already wasn't anywhere as close to reactive as I was when I first found Chris. I was in this crazy estrogen-dominant state, but little things that would get you mad, nothing. I don't even think about it anymore after adding in the stress on it. I'm doing about 20 milligrams a day. So I'm doing that about four different times a day.

Jayton Miller:
You also just had your first coffee enema experience. How did that go?

Gina Lopez:
Wow.

Jake Miner:
So me and my boy, Jayton The Thriller Miller were getting together, conversating about, what else can I add to the thermo warriors routine? And Jayton said right away, "Coffee enema." And I'm like, "Man, I was hoping you don't say this." One thing to add it in. But I am the thermo warrior. So I had to add it in. So Jayton made her a couple ... So I was asking Jayton, "How do you do the coffee enema? What's your experience?" And he basically mentioned, "Hey, I use the French press. I let it sit overnight so it's not hot." You definitely don't want to put hot coffee in there.

Jake Miner:
Another thing that if you guys are watching and interested in doing this, you've got to put coconut oil on the tip to help it get in there. You got to do that. Don't just raw-dog it, you got to do that. So I've seen other on YouTube videos that's not even mentioning that. That's not what you want to do. So I use a fully hydrogenated coconut oil. I let my French press sit overnight so it's like room temperature coffee. And I tried it. And you got to remember, do not sneeze. Don't get [crosstalk 00:21:05]. Do not sneeze in that coconut.

Jake Miner:
So my first coffee enema, I actually held it in for 18 minutes. So that was longer than I thought. I just told myself, "Hey, I'm just going to go for five minutes and just see how I feel." And I don't know if you guys have ever heard Whitney Houston, I Wanna Dance With Somebody. So after I got done with the coffee enema from Lauren, serotonin, the endotoxin so much and really increasing that glutathione, I just got up dancing. I was doing, Whitney Houston. I was in a good mood for about a hour and a half just dancing.

Jake Miner:
So this is something I'm going to add in weekly. So once a week, I'm going to do a coffee enema. This Saturday, when I do it, I might just throw on some Whitney Houston in the background and just see if I can break that 18 minutes. If you guys haven't a coffee enema, you can just order it right on Amazon. Make sure you're using filtered water. I suggest using the French press, and make sure it's a good organic coffee. Things like that.

Jake Miner:
Another thing I've recently added in that I'm really liking, so about three months ago, I started adding in frozen liver chunks to my daily fruit smoothie. Another Jayton Miller recommendation. Thanks brother. And I'm not a fan of the metallic taste. You guys see me cooking every day. I do big steaks. I've tried liver with steak to try to bring down that metallic taste, no garlic onions and mushrooms, a bunch of seasoning. So I tried the liver chunks in my fruit smoothie. I tried it with Gerolsteiner.

Jake Miner:
I've tried it with orange juice just to see the taste. And then after about three weeks, I was adding in just a thing of Mexico. And that really brought down the metallic taste. And then I keep seeing more of the bioenergetic warriors online, Meg, Matt talking about just doing raw liver. So I was like, you know what, I'm just going to do this. So I get the bison liver from Whole Foods, and it's pretty cheap for a grass-fed bison liver. I think for 10 ounces, 5.99. So I've been buying five or six at a time.

Jake Miner:
So last Saturday, I just diced up the liver and I did a adrenal cocktail. I just did my version. I did some coconut oil, five grams of salt, a little dash of milk. And then I'm really liking the Kalona Gold SuperNatural milk. That's awesome. So I took about three, four, one inch chunks of the liver, threw to my mouth and just washed it down. And to be completely honest, I don't even taste liver. So I'm not a fan of ... I've tried pates. I've tried everything with liver. I've tried doing the Ancestral tablets, but I like getting in the real thing. It's going to be more effective.

Jake Miner:
So after doing the shots and just chugging it down, I don't even taste liver. So all you guys watching and you guys on here with me right now, I highly recommend just dicing up and shooting the raw liver. You don't even taste it. Another odd thing I noticed, about 10 minutes later, I'm almost on like a body high from just for doing the liver. It just increases my mood, my energy, everything. It's awesome. So I highly recommend adding in raw liver if you guys haven't done it yet. Definitely.

Gina Lopez:
Jake, I appreciate you throwing the gauntlet down for the liver and not for the enema.

Jayton Miller:
I knew Jake was going to bring that up. I knew.

Gina Lopez:
I'll take you up on that liver offer, but I'm still thinking about it.

Jake Miner:
My dad, he's pretty thermo. He's a thermo warrior, follows everybody that we follow, and I can't get him to do the coffee enema like that. This is-

Gina Lopez:
No, I will. I will. I will. I follow you enough. I will, but just give me a little more time.

Jake Miner:
Work your way up to it, and just remember throwing that Whitney Houston. You'll be good to go.

Gina Lopez:
You know what? Your lives. You should start dancing for your lives, right?

Jake Miner:
Yeah. Good idea.

Colin Ricco:
I like that idea.

Jayton Miller:
That was a good idea.

Jake Miner:
I was thinking about making it more creative, but I might have to check in with my boss about that.

Colin Ricco:
You start moonwalking when you start to lie.

Gina Lopez:
Everyone wants to be like Jake. He's so happy. He's smiling. I'm like, "What is he on? I want that."

Jake Miner:
No, it's that thermo vibe, Gina. Just keep-

Gina Lopez:
Yes. I do. I get it.

Jake Miner:
You got the thermo vibe, and I can see it in you. You got the same vibe.

Gina Lopez:
I can't watch you without smiling. I'm like, yeah. Awesome.

Jayton Miller:
What about you, Colin? You got any tricks up your sleeve?

Colin Ricco:
Yeah. I guess two of them. I wouldn't consider them supplements, I guess more like supplemental food. One, I think was the biggest game changer for my specific condition was going to be adding milk into my diet, like real milk, not just these fake lactating almonds that people think are good. Because growing up, I was lactose intolerant, supposedly. So like I said, I was pounding the soy milk, the almond milk. And then I had a nice conversation with Danny about a year ago, and he was mentioning, "Try adding more milk into your diet."

Colin Ricco:
So I started adding the more real milk. And over time, any type of digestive issues that I had while taking milk was just completely gone. So now I have zero issues with milk. I can pound milk for days and I have no problem. That I think played a huge role and helped lowering my prolactin and parathyroid hormone. Those were two things that were pretty high when I started getting my lab tests done initially. And now since adding in more calcium, roughly about, I'd say one and a half to two grams, maybe more, depending on the day, of calcium, a lot of the libido issues that I was having in the past are starting to alleviate, which I think is incredible just seeing how the body changes when you add or take away one variable for me is incredible.

Colin Ricco:
So calcium is one. I think the other one is definitely going to be oysters. Even though I do forget sometimes, and sometimes I got to remind myself, or schedule it in my meal that I'm going to cook for that day, but the oysters are a game changer. I can definitely feel a extremely significant difference when I've had no oysters versus having oysters. And that's been a staple for the past couple of years as well. So calcium, oysters, and I would say probably vitamin E.

Colin Ricco:
So I've been adding in the vitamin E daily, and sometimes I'll megadose the vitamin E. And that's the thing I'm experimenting with that as well. And I think supplementing what the vitamin E on a consistent basis and keeping the poop below, a lot of my libido issues, similar to the calcium have definitely been diminished. Same thing with my mood as well. I don't have a lot of those symptoms that are correlated with higher estrogen or being in a bundled state of estrogen. So those three, I think are my big go-tos.

Jayton Miller:
It's interesting that you say that about the prolactin, because vitamin E is actually a very good anti-prolactin supplement as well. So you're getting a double whammy there with the calcium and the vitamin E. Awesome.

Colin Ricco:
Absolutely.

Gina Lopez:
What about you?

Jayton Miller:
What about me?

Gina Lopez:
Yeah.

Jayton Miller:
As far as-

Gina Lopez:
Your tricks.

Jayton Miller:
Let's see. I do notice that whenever I'm consistent about the amount of calories that I eat, things tend to be pretty consistent as far as my health, especially whenever it comes to my sleep. I noticed that simply just eating enough calories is something that has boosted my sleep tremendously. And then also getting into some ice cream before bed, making sure that I have a full liver glycogen. And the ice cream really helps. Even the taste of sweetness has been shown to reduce cortisol levels in a lot of cases.

Jayton Miller:
So that alone has been able to reduce my stress right before I go to sleep. And I would say avoiding light, or at least most light about 30 minutes before I go to sleep has been something else that has been very beneficial. I had a bad habit of being on my phone or just watching YouTube till right before I was about to fall asleep and then going to bed. I've noticed since I cut that out and I simply just read a book or stretch in front of my red light, my sleep is significantly better, and it's usually a lot more consistent as well. But other than that, there's not too much that I would say that's crazy, that I've experimented with that has made a significant difference.

Jayton Miller:
The coffee enemas are something that are very interesting. I had to bring it up, Jake. It's funny. It's usually a hard mental barrier for people to overcome, but once they do experiment with it, especially if they're having digestive issues. So especially whenever they have this small intestinal bacterial overgrowth or they simply just have a lot of endotoxin in their gut and stuff like that. Or people who have IBS tend to have like things stuck within the microvilli of their intestinal tract and getting in those coffee enemas to stretch out the gastrointestinal tract and flush out those things that are stuck within the microvilli tend to be pretty beneficial.

Jayton Miller:
So I think that there is a lot of benefit to the coffee enema, at least on the occasion. I don't necessarily think it's something that people have to have in their routine consistently, but I think that on the occasion it can be beneficial. It's also been shown to help increase glutathione by up to 600 or even 700% in some cases. It helps export fat from the liver a little bit more effectively. So if you're struggling with a little bit of fatty liver, then it can help export that cholesterol a little bit more effectively and help increase just the general activity of the liver.

Jayton Miller:
So in general, it's a very good tool to utilize if you're not in a very good state at the moment. Definitely. But I'm having trouble thinking of a question here. Do any of you all got any questions that you all would like to ask?

Gina Lopez:
Not particularly a question, but I was going to say, I liked what Colin mentioned, and Jake does say to do that as well as you, Jayton, about for supplements. I wouldn't had my micronutrient deficiency tests to find out what they were, and it was amazing to know I was low on magnesium, zinc, B12, B5, that's another one, just to see where my body was at. So to have that baseline was very, very helpful. And then just to get periodic updates as my insurance and my wallet allows, but just to keep getting them to know what's going on, having high levels of something and low levels of something else, knowing where my hormones are at, that was very, very helpful.

Gina Lopez:
So then as I do a new protocol and try something, see how my body feels and then get retested, I can go, "Okay, it's balancing out." So for me, as well as the supplements, I do take them, but I also want to find out, is my nutrition really meeting my needs? We do it on the Facebook group. We talk about the chronometer. What is it?

Colin Ricco:
Chronometer.

Gina Lopez:
Chronometer. So I use that, and I use that to help figure out, "Hey, what am I taking? What am I missing?" And sometimes I'll base what I'm going to eat the last meal, my dinner, I'll go, "Okay, what am I missing? What do I need?" And that's the meal I'll try and balance everything out in, in my day when I'm looking at calcium, I go, "What do I need? What's the next thing I need here." So I try and do that as well, but piggybacking on what they were saying that there's a lot that you can ... You can know your destination when you know what your body's doing or what the blood work says.

Gina Lopez:
So when you're just at a loss and it's how you feel ... You can as well for those that can't either get a test right away or something. You'll feel whatever you're feeling. You'll feel better, your sleep will improve, your mood will change. So it'll happen, but yet if you can dig down deep into that, then figure out where your supplements and stuff are taking you, your food. It helps tremendously.

Colin Ricco:
I like lab work. I know there's two sides of the fence where lab work is a snapshot per se of what-

Gina Lopez:
Yes. I like that.

Colin Ricco:
... the real picture is. I think things that you do, depending on what time you take the blood work, I think that different actions can change the levels. And I think sometimes it can be inaccurate, but overall, I think blood work for me personally has been a good tool to put you in the right direction. I think people who are interested in their health should definitely get lab work done at least once, just to get a good picture. I use this quote all the time. I think your body's biofeedback is the best feedback and self experimentation is the best experimentation.

Colin Ricco:
So I've been focusing more on relying on what my body is saying and becoming more in tune with that, instead of just being reliant on numbers on a chart. Although every about four months or so, I do like to get blood work done and just see if things are looking good, or if something feels off, I'll get a specific test done depending on what the symptom is and seeing where the issue is with that. But I think it's definitely beneficial.

Gina Lopez:
So I have a follow-on to that. Do you guys ever have a cooling period where if you're testing new, maybe you stopped for a few weeks then get lab tests, or do you stay on whatever supplement, you get the lab test so that the supplement is influencing or could be influencing the test, or do you see how your body is in its natural state?

Colin Ricco:
I'd say both. Usually, I'll wait like six months if I'm really trying to figure out something. For vitamin D, if I wanted to see if vitamin D was really increasing the levels in the blood, I'd probably wait about six months and then go from there and see if that makes a difference. Anywhere between four to six months, I think is a decent time range.

Gina Lopez:
So you've never had it where you get a test and you've gone in just baseline ... Whatever you did, you stopped, had a cooling off period, maybe didn't do it, or are you still on it when you get tested?

Colin Ricco:
No, not yet. Vitamin D is one of those things that I want to experiment with as well. I was just talking to somebody. Maybe Jayton and Jake know, but Heidi. I think her last name is Vincent. She made a post talking about vitamin D and how she did both the extreme, very pro supplementation and then completely eliminated anything that had to do with vitamin D supplementation. And her caption was pretty interesting, but it was along those lines.

Gina Lopez:
Jayton or Jake.

Jayton Miller:
In my opinion, usually one to two weeks prior to testing is a good cleanup period, so to speak. But I would just make sure that the nutrition that you're using. So even the supplemental nutrition, like liver and oysters and things like that stay within where they're supposed to be as far as what you're doing now. But in terms of the supplementation, one to two weeks is usually the cleanup period that I've seen to be the most common recommendation.

Gina Lopez:
Jake.

Jake Miner:
That's basically what I was going to say in a nutshell. One to two weeks and really keep your nutrient-dense thermo foods very on point, definitely before you do that. Also, Gina, as you go along your thermo journey, maybe once a year, I like to just get off all supplements. Taking a break. Take a couple of weeks off. You can make it a month and just see how you feel. And then one thing I like to do is slowly add in. Let's say I'll start with Testro-X. I'm off all supplements for a month, start incorporating Testro-X again, and then maybe a week or two, incorporate something else. Give your system a break.

Jake Miner:
It's not that your system needs a break, but it's good to about once a year. If you're really dialing in your supplement game, you're really trying everything new that you can, everything that you see, just to see how you react. Does it help you? Does it not help you? Once a year, I'll take a month off or a couple of weeks off and just relax, work on being stress-free, dial in your diet, like we always talk about and take some time off, and then reincorporate everything slowly. It's a good thing to do. I recommend that to anybody else watching too. Let's take a little break.

Gina Lopez:
Thank you.

Jayton Miller:
Along those lines, one thing is, if I'm feeling good and then all of a sudden it's just been disrupted, like my digestion goes off or my sleep goes off or I'm just feeling off, supplements are usually the first thing that I cut out. Every single time that I've done that, I've been able to narrow down what it was much more effectively because you're taking out the amount of variables that are at play within the experiment.

Jake Miner:
That's good.

Jayton Miller:
So that's usually the first thing that I do whenever something is going a little haywire too, is I'll cut out all of the supplements that I'm taking. And then I'll slowly add them back in. And I can either narrow it down from there or see that that's not what's causing it. And then I can go onto the other variables that I need to test in order to narrow down what's going on.

Colin Ricco:
To piggyback on both of what you guys said, lately, what I've been doing with supplementation is utilizing what I need at that season of time, if that makes sense. For example, if I was up North right now, I'd probably be supplementing with more vitamin D than anything else. So I've been supplementing based off of what issue I'm trying to resolve at that given time. I don't really think I have a specific foundation set in stone for supplements at the moment. I think for me, it varies depending on what is it I'm trying to resolve.

Colin Ricco:
For example, the past few days, I'm using [inaudible 00:40:12] or [inaudible 00:40:14] Camposol products. That thing does wonders. I've been using that to help with digestion as well, and trying to speed up the transit time and increase the bowel movements. And it's night and day. But now that I've noticed an increase in those areas, I stopped using it and I don't have a purpose for it anymore at the moment. So I've been trying to keep my supplements very basic, as basic as I can.

Colin Ricco:
The vitamin K ... So I take that back. There are some staples, the vitamin K and the vitamin E, and vitamin D are pretty small, the dose. Maybe aspirin would be the other, I guess, stones that I have at the moment, as well as the supplemental foods.

Jayton Miller:
Definitely. I have to watch it with the aspirin because I tend to lean towards the anemic side. So if I supplement with it too frequently, I'll start to get nose bleeds-

Colin Ricco:
Oh wow.

Jayton Miller:
... and also I'll start to get more fatigue throughout the day. So I have to watch it whenever it comes to the aspirin. Usually, anything bigger than 150 milligrams is whenever I start to see problems with it on a consistent basis. So I just have to watch out for that one, but I would definitely say it's worth experimenting with. Sweet. Well, I really don't have any more questions. Is there anything else that you all would like to talk about?

Colin Ricco:
I was going to ask, what you guys' favorite activators were as far as-

Jake Miner:
My favorite thermo activator as of late is coffee. I've always liked coffee. It's always been a big game-changer for me, but I've really increased my milk intake. I'm really down to a lot of the Kalona SuperNatural. I'm loving it. But when I get up in the morning, I usually do a little bit of foam rolling right away, a little bit of red light, and then I'm ready for that coffee. The metabolism boost it gives me, the thyroid boost it gives me, my mindset. It puts me in such a good mood. And now I'm doing like three, four cups of coffee.

Jake Miner:
I like to do a couple in the morning. And then at about two o'clock when you hit that drowsiness place, I'll do another cup, but I'm absolutely loving every single thing about coffee. So if you're watching and you're struggling with coffee, you really want to increase your thyroid health, you want to increase your liver health, you might want to eat a big breakfast before you start that coffee, or maybe a glass of bone broth if it's getting you too jittery and feeling antsy.

Jake Miner:
But when you get to that thermo state of health, coffee is unbelievable. It's also good. Coffee enemas are also awesome as well, but lately, coffee, I'm all about it, man. I feel unbelievable. I feel great just from being thermo in general, but that extra little kick of coffee, it's amazing. It's a really good thing to get in. It's one of the most nutrient dense things on the planet you can consume every single day. So if you can handle coffee, get it in. And if you can't, definitely do some more healing and try to get it in.

Jayton Miller:
I would say as far as activation for me, the more that I dial in on my psychology, so honing in the skill of metacognition and trying to make sure that I interrupt thought patterns that are antagonistic to the progression that I want to achieve, it's probably one of the best activators that I've been able to utilize, especially through meditation, whether it's going for a walk and getting some good sunshine or sitting in front of my red light and meditating, or doing some yoga. That has been something that's been very beneficial.

Jayton Miller:
I would also say journaling. And I wouldn't journal on a computer. So I wouldn't type. I think that there is novelty in the interaction of matter whenever you're actually handwriting something. I think that that somatic experience of handwriting is very important to the benefits that we experience with that. So I'd say those are probably the biggest ones right now that I've been enjoying.

Colin Ricco:
What you're saying is I should delete my Evernote and just completely forget about it?

Jayton Miller:
Or writing.

Gina Lopez:
Old school, right?

Jayton Miller:
Yeah. I don't know. I have several different methods. So I'm a crazy note taker, so if I have an idea or something, I'll record myself talking into a Snapchat video. And then if I don't have anything to write on, I'll do some voice recording on my phone and then I'll go back and write it down later. But there's also different things that you can utilize. Like Evernote is a good one. I think there's a note taking app called Obsidian that is really good to help build a second brain, because in a lot of cases, people say that the brain is not made for storing ideas, it's made for generating ideas.

Jayton Miller:
So the more mental space that you can free up for the generation of ideas and not having to remember things, the better that your brain performance can actually become. So creating a second brain is something that has been very fascinating to me and has been something that I've been digging more into as time goes on, for sure.

Colin Ricco:
What was that called?

Jayton Miller:
Obsidian is a really good one. And then, let's see. I also use Notion, is a really good one as well. Other than that, I just have a bunch of journals that I'll write stuff down in or just record random stuff on my phone. And then whenever I have some spare time, I'll just stop and I can come back and visit those ideas again so I can see them from a different perspective. Some people probably think that I'm crazy because I'll be sitting there and I'll talk to my future self sometimes like, "Jayton, you need to think about this, and this way. And this is how you're thinking of it now."

Jayton Miller:
So how has your perspective changed and what things can you do to better utilize this idea? So it's interesting, but I definitely think that people sometimes think I'm a little crazy whenever I do that, for sure.

Gina Lopez:
You're not. I still talk a lot, especially when I'm alone, "Gina. Do you see that? Let it go. No stress."

Colin Ricco:
I would say one of my biggest activators, and I just did it yesterday, was donating blood. So I've been donating blood, I don't want to say a lot. I've been doing it every ... Say every two to three months, I've been donating blood. I feel amazing when I donate blood. Like yesterday, I went and I think my record time was five minutes and 18 seconds from start to finish. And my goal was to cut that time in half, because I buy mind ... And you guys can tell me if I'm wrong, but in my mind, if I'm decreasing the amount of time that is taken for me to do the donation, that means that my blood flow is improving, which is one of the trouble areas that I've had in the past, but I feel amazing when I donate blood, to just completely get rid of that excess iron. It feels amazing.

Gina Lopez:
Awesome. I've been thinking of doing.

Jayton Miller:
I haven't really done any of that much blood. It is definitely something that I'd like to experiment with. What are some of the benefits that you've seen from that?

Colin Ricco:
So yesterday, I noticed that I was a lot more energetic. And at first, I was concerned that that could have been somewhat of a stress response. So I took time to think or pay attention to other things that I was experiencing. Usually, when I'm having a stress response, my fingertips will get really cold. I didn't have that. So I think it was overall a really positive outcome. That and my allergies have been decreasing ever since I started donating more consistently. I think that can just be from reduction of any excess iron that I potentially could have.

Colin Ricco:
But the key thing, going back to that foundation, is that I think having good nutrition is important before starting to transition into donating blood. Because I think it could be stressful if somebody was already depleted in abundance of specific, whether it's minerals, micronutrients, et cetera. So I really try to feel myself prior and then I'm pounding the OJ as soon as I get in the car. I have a gallon sitting right there in the passenger seat ready to go. I think it feels great.

Jayton Miller:
Definitely. Jake, do you experiment with that at all?

Jake Miner:
No. I've never donated blood. Years ago I tried donating the plasma and the plasma wasn't returned. I had a weird experience. So it's one thing I-

Colin Ricco:
[inaudible 00:49:34].

Jake Miner:
It's one thing I definitely try to avoid, but there are all kinds of benefits, like you said. Maybe it's something I should look into. But it's like we talked about before, those things, you just got to get over the hump of doing. So if I can do shots of liver and if I can do a coffee enema, I could donate some blood-

Gina Lopez:
You can do anything. Jake, you can do anything, I believe that.

Jake Miner:
The thermo boy, you can accomplish anything.

Jayton Miller:
If you're doing coffee enemas, you can do anything, because there's nothing else that you cannot accomplish.

Jake Miner:
They might have to be one of the new slogans on my plate.

Jayton Miller:
Well, I want to make sure to be respectful of everyone's time. So I'm going to go ahead and wrap it up here. Where can people find you all on social media and stuff like that?

Jake Miner:
With me, you can find me on the UMZU Facebook group. I do live Q&A's every Tuesday and Thursday to help new members or existing members optimize their stack, and talking about UMZU supplements. You can also find me on the Thermo Diet Group. I'm very active on there. I'm on there all day. I'm on there in the evening, in the mornings, at night. I'm on there all the time. I also have an Instagram, jacobjminer. I do post some stuff on there, but most of my bioenergetic stuff, you could find it on the Thermo Diet Group.

Colin Ricco:
You can find me on Instagram. My first name, Colin, C-O-L-I-N. Ricco, R-I-C-C-O. I try to be active on there. Do the best that I can. You can find me on Facebook as well. I'm trying to be more active on Facebook. That's something that I'm struggling with. Just overall trying to be more active on my social media, using it as a platform just to help spread different ideas and get different conversations going, but those are the two places that you can find me on.

Gina Lopez:
You could find me commenting on Jake's lives in the UMZU community group. Also, the Thermo Diet community group, I'm in there as well. I post tons of my progress as I've had issues last year with spots in my hair with my thyroid, my hormones, my gut. And then as the hair's grown back, I had to show the pictures to the Thermo Group, and my family just so they can see all the improvements, which of course now they want to do UMZU supplements, which is great.

Gina Lopez:
But yes, I'm also on Instagram, gina_adventures. My life is very adventurous, or being on a thermo journey is adventurous. So you could find me there as well, but I love being on the Thermo Diet Group. That's an awesome platform to be on Facebook. So it's fun to connect with everybody else that is like-minded and we're all sharing our success stories and learning from each other. So that's priceless. I love that group. So thank you, Jake, for always posting. And I want to see that enema post. Did you post on that yet?

Jake Miner:
No pictures of that. I posted lots.

Gina Lopez:
Well, not the picture of you, but you could-

Jake Miner:
If you see some Mariah Carey music, that's my enema post. Real quick before we hop off here. If you guys are watching this or when you guys do watch this, all the viewers, remember, if you're struggling with your health, hop on the thermo Diet. If you have a loved one that's struggling with any health issues, gut, sleep, libido, hair loss, anything like that, thyroid issues, get them on the thermo diet. Show them Christopher Walker's YouTube videos. A huge thing when it comes to optimizing your health is one, a very nutrient-dense diet. And two is strategic supplementation.

Jake Miner:
So this is why UMZU supplements in combination with the thermo diet are amazing. And I just want to thank both you guys for hopping on and being thermo warriors.

Colin Ricco:
Thank you.

Jake Miner:
You guys' progress is awesome. I was talking about this with Jayton before is the thermo diet and the lifestyle and the success is contagious. Usually, when I got to the thermo diet, I was in this terrible state, I was in a terrible financial state and everything's completely better. And I see that with people I work with in the thermo diet. Once you knock out all them health issues, your life gets better, and it's contagious, and it helps other people's lives get better.

Jake Miner:
So if you're watching this right now and you have people in your life that are really dealing with some pretty negative health issues, get them on the Thermo Diet Group, and start on the UMZU supplements. And check out Christopher Walker's YouTube page. It's really going to change your life. It's going to change the lives of everyone around you. How you react, how you parent, your relationships, your financial gains in life, it's all going to get better. So get on the thermo diet and start optimizing your health. Don't wait any longer.

Jake Miner:
If you're watching this and you're contemplating, "Oh, I don't know if I want to start this. This is something new. I'm nervous." Get on there. You can reach out to me, I'll help you. Gina and Colin are great references to reach out to them, the Thermo Diet Group as well. So with that being said, share the shit out of this YouTube podcast, and smash that like button.

Colin Ricco:
Heck yeah.

Jayton Miller:
Heck yeah. Well, you heard it from the Miner himself. Thank you all, and we'll talk next time. Thanks for listening to the podcast. If you haven't already make sure to hit the like button, subscribe, and leave a comment down below if you want us to cover a different topic.

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