The Thermo Diet Podcast Quarantine Edition Episode 35 - Josh Rubin

In this episode of The Thermo Diet Podcast Jayton Miller sits down with Josh Rubin and talks about some of the most common misconceptions of health and why people are so sick, why they overcomplicate it, and why we need to simplify what we are doing for the most successful health journey. Check it out and let us know what you think!

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Jayton Miller:
Welcome back to the ThermoDiet Podcast. I'm your host, Jason Miller, and I'm here today with Mr. Josh Rubin. How are you doing today, Josh?

Josh Rubin:
Pretty good. Pretty good.

Jayton Miller:
If you don't mind for the people who don't know you, do you mind giving me a little bit of background information?

Josh Rubin:
I am 44 and make a long story short, I ended up going to school, got my degree in occupational therapy from there. Went to Chinese medicine school, went through Paul Chek's, all his certifications and taught for him all over the globe for about maybe nine or 10 years, somewhere in there. Ended up going to osteopathic school, but manual based osteopathy in Canada. I actually have two classes left. I stopped that one when my son was born and just haven't been up there yet.

Josh Rubin:
Between all that, that doesn't really mean much for me, it's more for me, I take that information and I study, and I research, and I study and I research, but for me, the most important thing is I apply to myself, my clients to see what works and what doesn't work. So I'm really big on that. I'm not big on, just because this research says ABC and D that I'm going to believe it, I'm going to follow it. I like to try things and really see what works because research is not taking into account the person why they're here, what they've been through, the traumas, et cetera, the state of their body, the state of their nervous system. It's just looking at one little piece.

Josh Rubin:
So I'm a why guy and that's really what's gotten to me where I am today, and I'm always drawn towards the people that make me go, "What the heck have I been doing all these years with my work?" Whether it be Paul Chek, or Repeat, or Morley Robbins, or so many other people, it makes me just go, "Oh, damn. That's..." It makes me question everything that I know. And for me, I'm not saying everyone should be like this, but I think the only way we can grow and evolve, and not only help ourselves, but if we work with people, help other people is to do that instead of just reacting, and bashing, and say, "That's stupid and it doesn't work."

Josh Rubin:
That's in my opinion, why I've gotten to where I am today, why I've gone through so many different degrees, and certifications, and I stopped a lot of that stuff when I was 40, because it was like 40 years of doing that. But I feel like that's what got me here today, is just always asking why, digging deeper to find what works individually for each person.

Jayton Miller:
Awesome. Over the time that you've been working with these people, what are some of the most common patterns that you've seen?

Josh Rubin:
We could talk about SIBO, and candida, and parasites, and the list goes on, low iron and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but that's the hamster wheel everyone's on. I always say, when I started in this industry, I was just talking to people about eating food and eating organic food, and how do we do that, and why it's so important. Auto-immune disease were really not as large as they are and we didn't really see adrenal fatigue, and all these terms, and H. pylori, and SIBO and candida that's like eating us alive.

Josh Rubin:
But through the evolution of being this industry 20 years, that's what we're seeing now. Everyone I talk to you as an autoimmune disease, everyone I talk to has hashimoto's, they can't eat food because they're intolerant to food. That should wake us up. We're human, we should be able to eat food. When we start reacting to food, shit's going wrong big time, and it's not our body, it's what we're doing to our body.

Josh Rubin:
So really to answer your question is the biggest pattern I see is people are super depleted, whether it be in minerals, because of how we eat, our soil, chronic stress, genetically modified foods or like organisms, things like Roundup, high-fructose corn syrup, overdosing on NSAIDs, all these things are affecting our minerals in a negative way. Taking synthetic vitamins, which deplete our minerals, being depleted in energy.

Josh Rubin:
Why? Because we overwork, we overtrain and we under eat. Most of us under eat, no matter how much you think you're eating, we under eat, and this creates a depletion. So really the common pattern I see is depletion. And how do we really know people are depleted? Most of you just need to really tune in and go, oh my God, I can't. I'm so tired. I can't do this anymore. I want to get off the hamster wheel. I've done every diet, I work with every practitioner, I've taken every supplement, nothing's worked.

Josh Rubin:
It's exhausting. And the more you do that, the more depleted you get. The way we look at it is from checks and balances. You're just constantly withdrawing money, you're writing checks your body can't cash. And over time that catches up with us and that's why most of us are a million dollars in debt, we're so depleted and we can't catch up. And we're focusing on all the wrong things to try to catch up.

Josh Rubin:
So in a sense, we're trying to pay that million dollars back with pennies. That doesn't feel rewarding. If you're million dollars in debt, that's going to be stressful, it's really stressful. But if you pay it off with pennies, it's going to take forever, and that's what everyone's doing. Why? Because they're focusing on symptoms, they're chasing the symptoms, they're looking for the next best supplement, next best advice, next best practitioner, the list goes on.

Josh Rubin:
Instead of saying, "Who am I? What did I eat? What got me here? Where did I come from? And what are my basic human needs that I need to make sure that are in alignment so I can create that environment health?" When people do that, I just got off the phone with a client that was just like, "I don't even know how to eat food. It's so crazy, I'm so..." And she's so happy that she's doing this because she's seeing what she was eating every day, just carbs, and carbs, and cards, and not enough protein, and too much fat.

Josh Rubin:
And she's like, "This is showing me I don't even know how to eat food and it makes sense why I feel the way it feels." So I just feel people are just so depleted and we look at it from an energy standpoint. We look at it from a cell level, body temperature and pulse, a little bit more quantitative, but also I think how you feel is a big indicator as well.

Jayton Miller:
Definitely. Over these years, what are some of the most common distractions that you've seen that a lot of people tend to fall into? Whether it's going an extremist route. I feel like one of the things that we're experiencing today is people are on an all meat diet or an all plant diet. There's really no balance there. So what are some of the most common distractions that you see people fall into?

Josh Rubin:
Distractions, I would say the first one is people are lazy. And when I talk about this stuff, I'm human too and I'm a people. So I'm not excluding myself from any of this, but I've worked hard at what I do for a long time and I think people are lazy. We want to get somewhere, but we don't want to put in the work. We look at our society right now, we look at this generation of children coming through and it's like, we have such a society that's so lazy because we want to be able to get healthy, but we just don't want to put in the work.

Josh Rubin:
It's that old saying like, "Everyone wants to be successful until they find what it takes to actually be successful." It's the same thing with health. And we see it. Why? Because everyone's like, "all doctors suck. All they do is labs and give me medication. So I'm going to go work with my naturopath and I'm going to go work with my functional medicine doctor." Guess what, Johnny, and Henry, and Sally, and Suzy, they do the same philosophy.

Josh Rubin:
They're just using the supplements and crazier labs to tell you what's wrong with you when your doctor already told you there's really nothing pathologically wrong with you. So in my opinion, you're creating more dysfunction. We're so lazy to the point that like, we just want to try to take and do everything we can without really doing anything to try to get results. Instead of saying, "I have some trauma from when I was nine because I was physically abused and I started drinking when I was nine."

Josh Rubin:
Or, "Because of an eating disorder, or, "I've tried every diet in the book, it's created so much depletion in my system and put my nervous system into a fight or flight state." Or, "I've been doing fasting for 10 years," or the list goes on instead of saying, "Who am I as an individual? What do I need? And how do I get here? How do I support my body? It's about if we create the environment for health, health will flourish.

Josh Rubin:
So I think number one, common pattern is people are lazy, they don't want to put in the work. And unfortunately, the only way you can create change is cause and effect. The only way you can affect the effect is to change the cause. Everyone's focusing on the effect. "How do I chase the symptoms? Do the supplements, red light therapy, blue blocker glasses, peptide, suns," you name it, it's out of control.

Josh Rubin:
Instead of saying in simplicity, "Are my basic human needs met?" And when you look at society, they're not met. So I'd say the first pattern is complete laziness. The second is the opposite end of the spectrum. We think that the more we do to get healthy, the faster we're going to heal and the healthier we're going to heal. It's the same thing with like spirituality. The more we talk about it, the more we dress like it, the more spiritual we are. That's not true.

Josh Rubin:
I think that you can sit it under to see, like you said, because you have these all protein diets, these all carb diets, these vegan diets, these gut diets, these H. pylori diet, parasite diets, candy diets, SIBO diet, histamine diet, AIP diet, the list goes on. And you have the people that are way beyond that, the biohackers that if you pulled everything they'd away, they would literally crumble because they can't survive without it.

Josh Rubin:
And that tells us something, because if what you're doing is not sustainable, it's not healthy. It's simple as that because it's not sustainable. You always got to do something extra or add something to counteract or create some more balance because you're so out of balance. And then if you took all those supplements away, you would actually see how deficient you are, or how destructive that is on your system, or how much your diet is not really allowing you to create sustainability, or adaptability, or resiliency.

Josh Rubin:
So for me, I think people take it so far to the right or so far to the left. We're so lazy, we don't want to put in the work, but we want to get results. Or we put in so much that health becomes so much of a part of our life that it runs our life. Now it's not fun anymore, and it's not sustainable, and the journey of health now is becoming unhealthy. So I think those are the two most common patterns and that really brings in our approach.

Josh Rubin:
What we're trying to help people do is kind of find that balance point for each individual, or how do we tune into that person's radio station so they can enjoy life, so they can find balance and not feel like they're on a diet. So they can enjoy some of the foods they want while creating balance and healing at the same time, and finding that individuality. And I think that as a society, as a whole we're so out of balance. You can see it in every arena possible. So I would say those for me are the two most common patterns.

Jayton Miller:
One thing that you touched on in that was the psychological significance that the psychology has on the physiology, the psychological realm and its effect on the body. It's one thing that Broda Barnes talks about in his book, is how thyroid hormone can have a direct relationship with the psychology of an individual, whether it's some kind of psychiatric disorder. I think the example that he uses is a young girl was hearing voices and he administered thyroid therapy to her and the voices went away.

Jayton Miller:
And they repeated that process a few times until she was consistent with her therapy. How do you condense that and explain that to people? Because I feel like that's a major step that people are not taking,

Josh Rubin:
Oh, they're not taking. Most of us are so disconnected from who we are. I have people say to me, 20-year-olds say to me, this is during this pandemic, which is not really a pandemic. This is weird, this is the first time they've had to experience emotions as a human being. You have to really think about what they're really saying, and I think everything we do in our society disconnects us from ourselves. Phones, iPods, oura rings, technology, it pulls us away from tuning in.

Josh Rubin:
We need apps to help tell us how we slept. I sleep every day, close my eyes, I blink and I wake up. I know how I slept by how I feel, and I know when I don't sleep good. I don't need a device to tell me, "Hey, you fuckin didn't... Sorry, you didn't sleep well." And I think we're so disconnected that we need that stuff. The problem is it moves us actually further away. So when you study the work of certain people like Gabor Mate, he talks about the psychosocial theory or whatever he calls it, the psychosocial mechanism.

Josh Rubin:
And I really like his work for this particular piece because it really correlates with what we're trying to do with people and have them tune into themselves. He talked about how the psychology of the individual cannot be separated from the biology. So it's like everything that we've gone through from conception till now, whether it be a trauma or stress, which is the same thing. You don't have to be abused out of trauma, there's a lot of people, they get bullied or they do diet.

Josh Rubin:
I just talked to so many people with eating disorders or they're addicted to medications or addicted to gambling, or addictive behaviors, or they have PTSD because they were so sick and they're starting to feel better, they don't want to feel sick again. You can't separate everything from conception till now. What you need to realize is everything from conception til now has created who you are. So to focus just on how you feel today, what's happening today, you're doing a huge, huge, disservice to your system.

Josh Rubin:
We have to start to explore, and not that I want to be your emotional counselor. My goal with a lot of our, even our posts on Instagram is to not always tell people what to do, but to get them think a little bit differently to go, "Whoa, that post is saying something to me. I don't know what it's saying, but I'm going to have to read it a few times to think about it." Or, "Maybe I need to go read something to understand what's being said or research." It's to get people off that hamster wheel that they're on.

Josh Rubin:
And I think the biggest thing is people really understanding that the only way you're going to heal, the only way, I say this hands down is if you stop focusing on the here and now. "I have SIBO and candida." You say the same things over and over again, and to look at what got you here. And to start to create a different environment, even from like how you're sleeping, when you go to bed, when you wake up. The simplicity things that seem so simple for a lot of people, those are the things going to create a different environment that allow you to heal.

Josh Rubin:
Think about it, how many people have you talked to that say, "I've worked with five or six practitioners. Their philosophy did not work for me and I wasted $10,000."? What's the common denominator with all these practitioners? It's you. And the reason it didn't work, it's not their approach doesn't work because they wouldn't be a business, it's because no one's really said to you, "How the hell did you get here? When do you have gut issues? When did it start?" "I started to have gut issues shortly after my husband started cheating on me."

Josh Rubin:
There's a huge correlation when you study the work of Gabor Mate, and when you just understand the physiology of the human body and how that psychological stress can cause constant stimulation of HPA access 24/7, and what that's going to do to our system. So I think talking to people about that cycle-social aspect is huge. The other piece is just to talk to them as much about the physiological aspect, because I think when we understand the why behind what we're doing, and then the why of what we're doing, we can start to... What's the word I'm looking for?

Josh Rubin:
I think it makes people feel more comfortable with what they're doing, because it's a strategy versus... When I start with clients and I look at their supplement list, I'll say, "Tell me while you're taking this supplement." "I don't know. My naturopath told me," or, "A friend's taking it, so I took it." And I always say, "If you don't know what you're putting in your body, you shouldn't be taking it." Because there has to be a reason for everything you're doing because there's always a consequence. I forgot my whole point with what I was saying right now, but hopefully that helps someone.

Josh Rubin:
So we always go back to the cell physiology and say, "When we look at ourselves, not from a resting standpoint, from a movement standpoint," because the second we wake up, and we think, and we breathe, when we move, we need energy. Our cells' primary source of fuel when we move is glucose, and oxygen, and thyroid hormone, and copper, and selenium. Yes, we use some protein for energy, yes, we use some fat for energy. It's not our primary source.

Josh Rubin:
How do we know this? Go read any biology, biochemistry, metallomics books, you name it, it's going to show you. And most keto people will say, "It's not." If it's not, why do you have to teach your body to be fat-adapted if it's not? Because it is, it's that simple. We know that our body needs these things to regulate energy and this is why we have our approach. And that one important piece, like you mentioned is thyroid hormone.

Josh Rubin:
Thyroid hormone is the only hormone that can influence the 50 billion cells in your body, whatever you want to call them or how many. It's the only hormone that can influence them and it has a huge influence of course, on the cell in your brain and tissues, the list goes on. And when you look at our cells, of course, they have mitochondria and all these things that I mentioned, get that mitochondria going.

Josh Rubin:
And if the mitochondria is not going, and it's not pumping, and it's not moving like an engine, and you're not getting oxygen, you're not getting thyroid hormone, you're not getting some selenium and copper, what's happening? You're creating oxidative stress, which eventually creates inflammation and the list goes on. And if you're producing oxidative stress, no matter what you eat, what you try, what you take, you cannot heal.

Josh Rubin:
So what we're trying to do is change how your cells are working and how your mitochondria are working. And the more you feed them with thyroid hormone and those other things, you keep that going, the more mitochondria create. And of course you have different amounts of mitochondria in different cells in your body. Like in your liver, I think you have like... The average cell has about like a couple hundred. I think in your liver, you have like a couple thousand mitochondria in each cell.

Josh Rubin:
And then you have heart's like five to 6,000 and the list goes on. So you can see how important is this hormone, and oxygen, and glucose is to the cell because that's what they thrive on. We know that any time we don't feed ourselves, we're not storing energy, we're not regulating our blood sugar, we're not allowing ourselves to produce energy, which is CO2, ATP, and water, then we're in an oxidative state, when an inflammatory state. So when it comes to how our cells breathe, this is a boring because they're conductors of the system.

Josh Rubin:
And like Broda Barnes says, I've never said, "Hey, you have schizophrenia, take D3. You don't have schizophrenia anymore." I can't claim I've ever done that, but I've seen so many people that we work with, when they start to change how they live and they change how they eat using our RTN approach, and they regulate how their cells are using thyroid hormone, which is seen in body temperature and pulse. What happens? They feel clear, their minds lifts, they don't have brain fog anymore. Why? Because they're feeding their cells with energy and they're not creating oxidative stress, they're not producing cytokines. The list goes on.

Jayton Miller:
Yes, definitely. There's a bunch of stuff to unpack there. I think the first one that sticks out to me most of all is, whenever somebody is stuck in that psychological part, what can they do from a nutrition and lifestyle standpoint? What's the first step they can take in order to help their body heal and get out of that pattern?

Josh Rubin:
Get out of the pattern of being in their head or just-

Jayton Miller:
Just that stress state on a physiological level so it's easier for the psychology to follow behind that.

Josh Rubin:
I think it's obviously, and this is our approach, it's very personalized. I think everyone's going to have a different starting point. And I want to say that just to make it clear so people that are, "I tried it and it didn't work." Everyone's very different. I think the most important thing is before we go and work on the demons, whether it be sleep, childhood trauma, whatever hormones, just let those be for a while because it's a process and a journey to healing.

Josh Rubin:
I would say the first thing for a lot of people is making sure, I think you can put everything I'm going to say into like one principle, even though it's probably three. Would be making sure that at every meal and snack, you're getting a carbon and protein. Why? It really helps create balance in your physiology versus just getting protein, creating like hypoglycemic environment or getting just all carbs and creating a hyperglycemic or to a hypoglycemic environment. That very disglycemic environment.

Josh Rubin:
You're going to be getting a lot of fat-soluble vitamins, which are really important, different minerals, and you're going to be getting fuel from the carbohydrates that allow us to store energy again. And this is important because Broda Barnes talks about this. Like people with hypothyroidism struggle with a sluggish liver, it's because they can't store glycogen because there've been hyperglycemic for so long. Carbon and protein in every meal, white fish, shellfish, dairy, eggs, liver, and muscle meat, things like that.

Josh Rubin:
There'll be a protein and then your carb would be like any type of fruits, ripen fruit, any type of roots that's cooked or any type of squash that's cooked. Within that, making sure that you're eating frequently enough throughout the day that it fuels your system. We all have different needs, different industries and different energy expenditures. Some of us sit at a desk for 12 hours a day. So when you eat might be different versus the person that's out and about in the field working outside and it's 100 degrees. And they're they're lugging logs or whatever, doing construction.

Josh Rubin:
Our energy needs are always different, so when you eat, how much meat is going to be different, and this takes time to really tune into. But I would say, beside having carbon and protein is making sure you're eating throughout the day in the sense to put enough fuel in your new fire to keep that fire going. And that will help with that depletion over time, it doesn't happen overnight. So I'd say those are the two biggest things.

Jayton Miller:
Okay. The second question that I had from earlier was, usually people will see anemia on like a ferritin test or something like that. And I've read that that is usually a sign of a copper deficiency. What is a test that somebody can take to ensure that it actually is anemia? Or how can they tell that it actually is a copper deficiency?

Josh Rubin:
There's a test called the Full Monty, and you can Google it like Full Monty Iron Test and you'll find it by a request to test. You can actually find it on Ulta Labs, the Carrie Morley's lab and it's going to test for like magnesium, red blood cells. IN plasmin, Vitamin A, et cetera. That would be the test you want to do. The simple test of looking at iron, it's useless. Why? Because iron does not regulate iron. It doesn't work like that.

Josh Rubin:
Copper and vitamin A and their relationship with iron regulate iron metabolism. So the problem is even everyone's been taught that, and this happened, I don't know exactly when, 30 years ago, let's say that, oh, anemia, we need to start fortifying our foods. It's almost impossible, impossible for people to be truly anemic. Iron anemia, I'm not talking about the other type of anemia. Because of how fortified our foods are, at the same time, how people are becoming so depleted in copper.

Josh Rubin:
Now, people will say, "My iron levels are low." You can't just look at one level, you have to look at everything and correlate to really make a true distinction. But instead of looking at anemia as an iron deficiency, we need to start looking at it like this, anemia is not an iron deficiency and it's an iron recycling problem because of lack of bioavailable copper. Now, why would it be a lack of bioavailable copper? This is huge stuff, and I got introduced to stuff by a colleague of mine who has studied Morley Robbins work for umpteen years.

Josh Rubin:
So I got introduced to those work probably like five, six years ago, and it's really deep technical stuff, but it's fascinating. When you look at copper, what kind of chelates copper affects copper bioavailability in our body roundup? High fructose corn syrup, NSAIDs, taking synthetic Vitamin D3 or synthetic Vitamin D2 that's added to milk, et cetera. Taking calcium supplements, taking zinc supplements, or eating synthetic Vitamin C. These are all the things, and think about how many people you know do that. Everyone.

Josh Rubin:
All these things are going to chelate copper from the body or affect copper bioavailability. And when you affect copper bioavailability, you affect iron recycling among a million other things. Remember, you need copper for cellular energy production. So if you can't get copper in the cell and all those bits and pieces of yourself and your mitochondria that allow those things to work, they're all copper dependent, you can't produce energy. So no matter what you do, you're still creating oxidative stress.

Josh Rubin:
So copper is really important. That doesn't mean to take the copper supplement, it means to stop all those things that are causing your body to chelate copper. And the problem is everyone's like, "I take D3 and this research says take D3." Great, take it. I don't really care. I'm just trying to educate. "I take zinc, I take calcium. My chiropractor told me to, my doctor told me to." Ask them why. And most of them are going to say, "Because the research shows."

Josh Rubin:
Unfortunately we have to keep digging, you have to look at the why, and we have to look just at human physiology. When you look at it, it makes so much sense biologically, looking at the biochemistry of how copper regulates our metabolism. So what happens is copper goes down, iron tissue saturation is going to go up. Of course, now we create even more oxidative stress with that saturation of iron tissues.

Josh Rubin:
So the test would be that Full Monty. How to treat that it's different per every person, but I would say the first step is to get the lab done. The second step is to stop the high-fructose corn syrup, the NSAIDs, ibuprofen, all that stuff. All those synthetic supplements that I talked about, synthetics, calcium, zinc, D3. Obviously eat non GMO. And then from there, have someone looking at your lab to say, "What do I need to do to move forward?"

Josh Rubin:
For most people, it's about restoring minerals. And of course, copper is one of them, and that's where we get copper. We're going to get easily from eating liver of course, throughout the week, if not taking desiccated liver every day. Everyone should be taking desiccated liver. But if you're still eating genetic modified foods, and taking D3, and doing all those things, you haven't stopped those, don't take it because it's not going to really benefit you. It's going to be still, you're going to have lack of bioavailable copper.

Josh Rubin:
Anemia has to do with lack of bioavailable copper, which affects the recycling system. Because when we take an iron, it goes into our entire site, that front door, but in order for us to absorb it out that back door, the enzymes that regulate that back door or those Cooper proteins are copper-dependent. So if you don't have copper, we can't absorb iron. We're iron anemic, but we're really not.

Josh Rubin:
And this is hard to grasp and really look at because we've been taught for so long that anemia exists. If you're female or an athlete, and you're tired, you're anemic, you're going to show low iron. Unfortunately, it's really not low iron, it's low copper bioavailability and iron recycling dysfunction. And we've helped so many people regulate it without iron, so for me, that's plain as day. But I hope that enlightens some people, because I think a lot of people are taking iron and they say, "I'm pregnant," or, "I'm anemic."

Josh Rubin:
I don't think anyone, there's no human in this universe that should be taking supplemental iron. I don't care if you're pregnant, it does not matter. You should not be taking it.

Jayton Miller:
It's basically just stating that the iron is basically hiding from the blood test in a way, because it's in the tissues.

Josh Rubin:
Yeah. Plasma and tissue are going to be very different, very different. There might be, but I don't know how to look at the tissue, but this is why you do the Full Monty because you're looking at cell plasma, and copper, and Vitamin A and magnesium, and all these things that regulate iron to really see what's happening. Is someone actually copper deficient? What their tissue saturation is. Obviously you might've saw it, but I posted about Vitamin D, yes and on Instagram and there was a lot of love, there was of course, a lot of bashing and telling me I'm an idiot and irresponsible and the list goes on.

Josh Rubin:
But I'm just trying to share and educate people because every single person that has done a Full Monty panel with me, that's on D3. It doesn't matter if they're on high doses, they have the exact same lab results, we see it all the time. And their iron is always high, and their copper and cell plasma always... Or their copper might be high, but their cell plasma is low because they have that lack of bioavailability. It's the same thing with every single person.

Josh Rubin:
And I think people are striving for such a high level of D and there's a huge problem with that as I mentioned in email, because it not only affects copper, it affects the development and usage of Vitamin A. So now we create more of an issue. And I think if I remember correctly, Vitamin A plays a huge role in copper bioavailability. That Vitamin D3 will also just... What's the word I'm looking for right now? Allow our body to dump magnesium even more than we already dump. So it creates so much of a problem, but I see the same lab result with every single person.

Josh Rubin:
So I don't recommend anyone to take D3. And I know the research says it's beneficial and yada, yada, yada. Like Morley Robbins said, I was just listening to a thing he put out. It was a free class he did last week or the week before, but he's like, "Between January and May of this year, 200,000 people died of the coronavirus," so-called coronavirus. And that same amount of time, 5.6, I think it was million... Yeah, million people died of heart disease. So what's the real pandemic? We have to look at that. What regulates the heart and how it really works? There's a lot of different things.

Josh Rubin:
Of course, the minerals, potassium plays a huge role, huge role. It also plays a huge role with thyroid health. And of course, D affects our body's levels of potassium, you also see low potassium. What regulates the heartbeat and all these different things of the heart? Thyroid hormone, Broda Barnes talks about this. So heart disease really is not about the heart, it's about our minerals and it's about thyroid hormone in our cells. So the real pandemic is, we're moving people in the wrong fuckin direction, because everyone's just listening to the research and everyone's just listening to the doctors and they say, "Take calcium and take D3 and you're going to be healthy." You're not.

Josh Rubin:
You might feel better now, but trust me, long-term, you're the one that's going to get the bone spurs, you're the one that's going to get the neuropathy, you're the one that's going to get the calcification in your arteries and have to go on high blood pressure medication. I see it all the time with people that are on those high doses, so we don't recommend people taking D3.

Jayton Miller:
It's interesting, especially because they're recommending it so much in the media right now with corona going around.

Josh Rubin:
It's hard. I don't watch news, I haven't watched the news in 12 years. Why? Because it's all... I don't even know what the word for this is. Would it be censored? It's all formulated. Look at social media, you see what they want you to see and you don't see what they don't want you to see. And unfortunately, I'm not like a conspiracy theorist, but it's just the truth. You see it, Facebook even says, "Anything about vaccines is going to be blocked or they're not going to be even listed." That censorship. So how can we watch the news and really believe what they're saying?

Josh Rubin:
Okay. Yes. Someone died and they're showing that. Yes, I'm not saying I don't have compassion, I don't believe that. But everything in between, we have to really question that. We have to question why this is happening. We have to question why and what are the dangers of taking all this D3 they're telling us take when years ago it was like, "Oh, everyone needs it, it's going to help everyone." Since the time they recommended it, guess what? We're still dying, and as a country, we're still ranked one of the worst when it comes to healthcare and we spend the most amount of money. So what's really going on.

Josh Rubin:
And unfortunately, most doctors don't know this about Vitamin D, but at the same time, most doctors give vaccinations and they fuckin know nothing about the vaccination. They don't even know how it's made, where it came from, what are the side effects? They just know they have to give it. Because doctors can't question, because if they question, guess what happens, they lose their license, they lose their livelihood. It's a fear-based medicine, that's all it is.

Josh Rubin:
And you see it because all the doctors that came out were like, "This coronavirus is going on, but this is weird. We're getting these pamphlets from the CDC and the who and telling us what we're supposed to say and what we're supposed to do and I'm not comfortable with this." And then they put a videos and those videos are taken down, so it's like, can you really believe in the media?

Jayton Miller:
Definitely. As an ending note, what are some of the biggest tips that you would give somebody just now taking on this health journey?

Josh Rubin:
Slow down. Slow down, stop chasing. We're always trying to do something with our health. "Oh, I need to get my red light therapy. Oh, I need to get the supplement everyone's taking. I need to get those mushrooms everyone's drinking. Oh, I got to do the ketamine therapy everyone's doing. I got to buy the sunglasses so I can wear in my bedtime that everyone's doing. I got to do the enemas." And before you know it, that takes up your whole day. That's not fun, that's not sustainable, it's exhausting.

Josh Rubin:
So I think as a society, if we just slow down when it comes to our health journey, we can let the smoke settle and just go like, "What do I really need everyday to thrive?" And I'm not talking about red light therapy and all that stuff. I'm talking about like what makes you smile? Beside work and taking care of your kids or going to the gym, what else do you do that makes you feel resourced and smile? And when you slow down, you can do those things. And that's huge because as you mentioned, Gabor Mate, he talks about it, anytime there's that stress and trauma, there's that disconnection from cells.

Josh Rubin:
So when we begin to do these things that make us happy, or smile, or resourced and we slow down, we can reconnect with ourselves. We become more aware. We make better decisions for our health and the list goes on. So I'd say the biggest thing would be slow down. Trying to think if I can think of another one, but like you said, the goal for health is become so unhealthy. The average person we work with is taking 10 supplements. They've tried carnivore and keto, paleo, SIBO diet, AIP. I heard of another one the other day I've never heard of is the Hippocrates diet.

Jayton Miller:
Interesting.

Josh Rubin:
Seriously. I've never heard of that diet before. And she says, "I tried Hippocrates." I'm like, "What is that?" She was like, "It's a diet." I'm like, "It makes sense that it's a diet." But there's so many diets, and if we really take a step back and go, "What is going on? Why are there so many diets when there's one human body?" There's one human body that has physiology that doesn't lie. It's that simple. We produce hydrochloric acid, everyone's body produces hydrochloric acid. Why? Because it's a part of our immune system and it breaks down protein.

Josh Rubin:
No protein diets make no sense because it doesn't align with how the body works. We produce enzymes in our stomach, in our small intestine to break down and absorb, and even in our mouth carbohydrates. So to not eat carbohydrates, make no sense. We can talk about all these diets focusing on a system when the body's a system of systems. Just focusing on the gut and saying, "You have digestion issues, let's just try to fix it with this very lockdown gut diet." It's just the body doesn't work like that. It's a system of systems.

Josh Rubin:
So when we take a step back and we look at all this and we just see, since the Atkins diet, and then the McDougall diet and then vegan, it's insanity. It's the insanity diet. Everyone is expecting different results, five, 10, 15 years later, but as a society, we're doing the exact same things. And that's why people on are not getting results. They think if they go to their natural path and do labs, it's going to be better than going to their doctor and do labs, same philosophy. If they do keto because carnivore didn't work, they're going to heal.

Josh Rubin:
Same philosophy, it's restrictive, the list goes on. So I think we need to slow down and really think about what do I need every day as human being to thrive? When we start meeting our own needs, that's when healing really happens.

Jayton Miller:
Definitely. Where can people find you?

Josh Rubin:
Our website, eastwesthealing.com. You can find our social media page at the bottom there. We have an Instagram page, a Facebook page. We have Twitter, but we don't really use that much, but mostly Instagram, Facebook. Instagram is Real Food Gangsters and our Facebook is obviously East West Healing. We also on our website offer free consult. We've done it for 20 years for everyone that's interested in just talking with us so we can learn more about you, answer your questions and maybe talk about how we can work with you. So we offer that as well.

Jayton Miller:
Awesome. You heard it from Josh Rubin himself. Thank you for tuning in and everybody listening. If you haven't already go check him out, he is a super knowledgeable guy, probably one of the most knowledgeable in the metabolic theory of health realm. And so I highly recommend his work as well as his wife. She's another great resource as well, and make sure to like, and subscribe. And I will talk to you next time. Have a good one.