Thermo Diet Podcast Episode 25 - Thermo Diet Group Q&A

In this episode of The Thermo Diet, Christopher Walker and Jayton Miller sit down and answer questions from the Thermo diet Facebook group.

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Full Transcript:

All right. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Thermo Diet Podcast. My name is Christopher Walker. I'm here with the researcher cowboy. We need to figure out a way to get your nicknames lined up here.

Jayton

We need a good process in place for it.

Chris

Yeah.

Jayton

If y'all have any recommendations for nicknames for the podcast-

Chris

Oh, yeah. Drop them in the group.

Jayton

Yeah.

Chris

We're going to use your nickname for Jayton on the podcast.

Jayton

Just watch your profanity.

Chris

Yeah. Don't be too profane. You can be a little profane if you want. So today we're going to just answer some questions. Again, this podcast is just a ... It's a resource for the Thermo community, help you guys navigate the Thermo lifestyle, and we want to just help you out there. So I posted in the Thermo group a little bit ago. I think there's some questions coming in now, right?

Jayton

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Chris

We'll just go through them.

Jayton

Is vitamin E necessary to counteract PUFA? Or sufficient to just steer clear of PUFA going forward?

Chris

The easiest way is just to not consume it, period. It's really not necessary. It's not essential, as some people might tell you. There's plenty of research showing that, in the absence of these essential fatty acids, as they call them, EFAs, your body's actually way healthier. So if you can avoid them entirely, I mean, go for it. There's no downside to that.

Chris

In terms of the vitamin E and PUFA relationship, it's interesting because a lot of plant sources of PUFA that are wild, I guess, are naturally ... The plant itself has an adequate amount of vitamin E in the plant's, I guess, system that it produces in order to actually protect itself from the oxidation of the oils. The issue is that a lot of the times when they're basically creating these oils, they don't use the vitamin E in the product itself, and unless you're getting the pure oil from something that's extracted the right way, you're not going to get any of that vitamin E.

Chris

So that's why we made the recommendation. If you do end up eating PUFAs in some way, it's good to have a vitamin E supplement or something containing a lot of vitamin E present for that just to help offset the whole thing. I don't want people to be crazy neurotic about things, so if you do end up going out to eat, it's a good lifestyle choice to have the vitamin E.

Jayton

Some of the stuff that I've seen, it's like vitamin E helps prevent the oxidation of PUFA and then aspirin helps reverse some the damage of PUFA, so it helps uncouple mitochondria. It acts as a really good aromatase inhibitor and anti-estrogenic. So I would say that aspirin after the fact, if you've been exposed to it, just taking a little bit of aspirin, not an excessive dose, but just a little bit, would help kind of counteract the damages that have occurred.

Chris

I was looking at salicylic acid a little bit, and there's actually pretty good amounts of it in berries too.

Jayton

Really?

Chris

Yeah.

Jayton

Interesting.

Chris

Yeah.

Jayton

Okay.

Chris

Score one for the Thermo smoothies.

Jayton

Yeah. Definitely.

Chris

Yeah. That's pretty cool.

Jayton

Is it possible to get all micronutrients in my body with 100 percent of food, no supplements?

Chris

Yeah. I mean, it is. It's not easy.

Jayton

Yeah. It's extremely difficult.

Chris

Yeah. I mean, it'd be interesting to see somebody really plan and measure regularly micronutrient measurements by only consuming foods and figuring out if it's possible in an affordable way and without being stressed out about having to get all these foods all the time.

Jayton

Yeah. Lots of liver. Lots of oysters. Lots of eggs.

Chris

Mineral waters.

Jayton

Orange juice.

Chris

Yeah. But a lot of it does come down to another element, not just the food. It's your gut health as well. You have to be able to absorb the nutrients, and a lot of people's gut health could use some work.

Jayton

Definitely.

Chris

It's another one of those things that's constantly in flux. You have to constantly pay attention to it and make sure that you're supporting your gut health properly.

Jayton

Do you guys recommend any tap water filters, maybe a specific kind, a reverse osmosis brand or something else?

Jayton

So I actually have a Santevia gravity filter at my place, so it's just like a five-stage filter that has activated charcoal in it, copper, and then it has these rocks that you put in the bottom of it that remineralize the water whenever it gets down into the filtered part of it. So it completely strips everything from the water and then remineralizes it in there.

Chris

What kind of rocks are they?

Jayton

I don't know what kind of rocks they are, but they have magnesium, potassium, and I think a couple other minerals in there.

Chris

Cool. Yeah. I've got one too. I don't remember what it's called. Do you remember what you saw, Brenton, at the ...

Brenton

I don't remember what it was called.

Chris

There's some device in it.

Jayton

I know that Berkey works really good too. That's a really-

Chris

Yeah. Those are kind of the high-grade ones. Yeah.

Jayton

Yeah. There's also PristineHydro. I've seen those. They're one of the under-the-counter ones that you can put under the sink.

Chris

Yeah. You can install it. Yeah. It is kind of interesting, because I grew up with well water that we were actually just ... We drilled our own well and pumped it out of the ground, so we never had any sort of issues with anything because the house was out in the woods. There wasn't any factory farming nearby. There wasn't any sort of weird chemical stuff nearby. So I always had pretty clean mater. I don't really drink much tap water at all anyway, even through the filter.

Jayton

I really don't drink any water at all. I got my OJ and my milk. That gets me pretty good. But no, back in Texas, our water was pretty hard, so we had to ... It was either tap water or you had to figure out some kind of ... I think we had a reverse osmosis system for a while that worked pretty well, but you had to watch out. You'd get kind of sick from drinking a lot of that water.

Chris

Yeah. If you look in the filter pitchers and stuff when you put really shitty tap water in it, it's insane what comes out of those things, because you can't really see it when you're running the water. But then if it starts building up in that filter, and it's just these black chunks of shit. It's like, "Whoa. Glad I'm not drinking." It's kind of scary.

Jayton

No. The EPA has run tests on tap water and stuff like that and so has pesticides from runoff and it also has ... Because of the amount of birth control that's used in the population-

Chris

Yeah. There's a lot of birth control ends up in the ... Yeah.

Jayton

Yeah. It has an extreme amount of estrogen in it, and it's like, "Holy crap." It's coming from everywhere.

Chris

Yeah. We're going to have to do a think again series on water.

Jayton

Yeah.

Chris

Yeah.

Jayton

Definitely.

Chris

That'd be a good one.

Jayton

Yeah. But then it has all kinds of phytoestrogens in it and stuff like that too. So I guess that can kind of segue into the next question, the post about milk causing breast cancer.

Chris

So yeah. Somebody posted in the group today about an article, I think it was in some magazine or newspaper or something, NBC or something like that, about ... Basically, they were reporting that dairy or milk is causing breast cancer in an increasing rate in women, and it's really not surprising whatsoever. Basically, it's caused by conventional milk, pretty much most stuff that you're going to find in the grocery store that a lot of people drink a lot of regularly.

Chris

It's almost a cultural norm just to have milk from the time you're a little kid. It's like, "Oh, milk with your cereal. Drink your milk," because I remember all the commercials when I was a kid that were a lot of ... They were funded by the Dairy Council, but they almost seemed like public service announcements where it was like the government was telling you to do this. It was like, "Drink your milk and grow up strong. Now fortified with calcium. Strong bones." So it's like there's this programming to it from the time you're a little kid, like, "Drink your milk."

Chris

First off, I don't really think it's necessary whatsoever to even have dairy. It's something that you can kind of take it or leave it. The thing is, if you get really great dairy, it's delicious and it's also very nutritious. I think you guys were talking about, when you were talking to Gus on that last episode, about raw dairy, right?

Jayton

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Chris

So getting raw dairy from healthy cows is preferable if you can do it. But I think Gus was talking about the hoops you got to jump through to do that. Not in every country, but in the United States it's not an easy thing to do, but it can be done. You can also find raw dairy in cheese form pretty easily. It's not that difficult to find raw cheese.

Jayton

If somebody completely eliminated dairy from their diet, how would you suggest that they get their calcium intake to kind of help balance the calcium and phosphate ratio?

Chris

Mineral water. It's pretty easy. Calcium is typically, in my opinion from what I've seen, not an issue for most people. The issue is actually having too much calcium and or the ratio is being skewed of too much calcium relative to sodium or magnesium, because, as you know, if the calcium is too high in the extracellular fluid and there's not enough sodium or magnesium present, it actually causes premature cell death. It's toxic to the cell because the charges need to essentially be balanced. All the electrolytes really regulate each other, and I don't really think, in general statistically, that people have a calcium issue. The issue is more of a sodium deficiency. But yeah, I mean, mineral water is a great way to get calcium. If you look at a lot of them, on the mineral contents of like a Gerolsteiner, the calcium is pretty high.

Jayton

I don't know. So typically what I've seen is that a lot of those calcium issues are derived from not having enough dietary calcium. So it causes an increase in parathyroid hormone, which leeches calcium from the bones, and then that's what causes toxicity because it dumps it into the blood, leads to calcification of tissues, toxicity within the cell, and stuff like that. So what's your opinion there?

Chris

Well, I'm not recommending you don't consume calcium. I'm just saying get it from mineral water if you're not using dairy. But it still comes down to the balance with the other electrolytes, even in that case. Say if you weren't consuming the calcium dietarily and it was being leeched from the bones, dumped into the blood, the sodium and magnesium would still be able to regulate it, but most people are sodium deficient and magnesium deficient. So if you're not consuming dairy, I would just get it from somewhere else, like the mineral waters. You still need all this stuff.

Jayton

Definitely. Yeah.

Chris

I think that's hopefully something we're helping people understand is there are ... While it's easy to say, "Oh, estrogen bad, serotonin bad, whatever," people love ... It's simple and it's a common thing to be like, "This is bad. This is good," but for most of this stuff in terms of hormones, minerals, vitamins, amino acids, it's more about balancing things and finding ratios that work, and that's ultimately when people are like, "Everybody's different." It's like, no. Well, everyone's bodies work the same way, but everybody at any moment is biochemically unique in terms of those ratios. So it's more about, at your moment right now, figuring out where you're at and then manipulating your diet and supplementation for that, fix it.

Jayton

I would say another thing that leads to problems with calcium too is just not having enough vitamin K and not having enough vitamin D to help with that calcium homeostasis too.

Chris

Yeah. K2 is a really common deficiency.

Jayton

It's so hard to get in a diet. That's another one that would be difficult for a micronutrient-rich diet.

Chris

Yeah. Well, that's what raw cheese happens to be a very good source of it. Yeah.

Jayton

I think sauerkraut's a good one too, isn't it?

Chris

Yeah.

Jayton

Can you go more into detail into how PUFAs decrease testosterone? Is it mainly because they oxidize? In this case, would good quality ones like Udo'S oil or raw fish oil be okay? I know we are not cold fish, but our brain needs omega-3, does it not?

Chris

No. The essential fatty acid thing is false.

Jayton

Yeah.

Chris

It's not a real thing. Whatever fatty acids your body needs to create cell membranes and those cellular components, organelles, it's literally going to be made. It can be made endogenously, and it should be made endogenously. The high-quality fish oil slash high-quality Udo'S oil and that sort of thing ... As far as I know, it's literally impossible to get that oil through the manufacturing process and it not be completely rancid by the time it's sitting in the bottle.

Chris

If it's not rancid then, which it is, then they ship it in ... It's all shipped in trucks around the country, and the trucks have been found ... Shipping trucks have been found to basically reach degrees up to over 120 degrees Fahrenheit, which is far above the body temperature. Then if it somehow miraculously made it through that without being, if it was exposed to light, it would go rancid. Then if it somehow got into your body or in your mouth, your body temperature's high enough for it to go rancid. So it's just not a thing.

Jayton

Yeah. That process is called autoxidation, isn't it?

Chris

Yeah. When it's immediately, on contact, basically oxidized, or through light.

Jayton

Yeah. So the endogenous production of omega-9 mead acid is why they're not essential. I can't think of any mechanism inside the body where omega-3 or omega-6 is necessary. Can you?

Chris

To produce certain cytokine responses.

Jayton

Yeah. Like prostaglandin synthesis and stuff like that.

Chris

Yeah. But those are inflammatory cytokines, so you don't want that to be able to happen, really, until ... Well, it should happen in a normal balance, but the arachidonic acids required for the prostaglandin synthesis ... The problem is that there's plenty of it in there already. You don't want more dietary polyunsaturated fat, especially to do that sort of thing, because that's an inflammatory facilitation, really, and it's all regulated in terms of ... That sort of thing only happens when your immune system is triggered with a threat. So if your body's totally healthy and you're not threatening it with whatever the stimuli is, it doesn't need that at all.

Jayton

Yeah. You're just kind of supplying it with fuel that isn't necessary.

Chris

Yeah.

Jayton

It also has a direct impact on the suppression of thyroid and the testes too, because these free radicals that it produces has an affinity for those sensitive tissues in the body.

Chris

Yeah. To answer that part of the question about lowering testosterone or other hormone levels, it's because it's acting on the glands and it's kind of destroying the function of that gland.

Jayton

Yeah.

Brenton

Can I ask a question?

Chris

Sure.

Brenton

So in the debate last night, there was a lot of talk about reducing trans fats in New York. Is trans fats the same as polyunsaturated fats?

Chris

They're similar, yeah.

Jayton

Yeah. So from my understanding, the polyunsaturated fats have the double bond, and then the trans fats have simply just crossed over, so it's basically an even more rigid structure. So because of that, it makes it even more unstable and easy-

Chris

It's like a super PUFA.

Jayton

Yeah.

Chris

Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah. I don't watch any of those ever, but I know Bloomberg has a history of trying to regulate food because he had that history of all the salt regulations. He did the sugar tax. I don't know what his deal is. Why is he-

Brenton

He wants to control food.

Chris

Yeah.

Jayton

That's one thing here in Boulder is they have a sugar tax on everything. It sucks. I swear. I'll go and buy something, and I'm like, "Man, it's getting shot up like eight cents."

Chris

Yeah. I don't think it's the government's responsibility to regulate a consumer decision about food. The consumers should be the ones who make their decisions, not the government.

Jayton

Yeah. That's all I got.

Brenton

You guys got any tips for recovery, getting back in the gym after recovery from an injury or surgery?

Chris

From a hernia?

Brenton

Yeah. I tried to make it a little more general, but ...

Chris

Yeah. So Brenton had a hernia surgery a month ago or so?

Brenton

Yeah. A month ago. Yeah.

Chris

Yeah. I've never seen someone bounce back that quick from that. I mean, Thermo is getting to work. Have you been using collagen? Or what-

Brenton

A lot of collagen. A lot of bone broth. A lot of zuRelief.

Chris

Yeah. I mean, that's a good way to do it, the collagen and bone broth, the glycine especially. That high amount of glycine is going to really help with the recovery. Then the compounds in zuRelief are perfect. Bromelain, curcumin, olive leaf extract all have a lot of research showing that they really lower the inflammation response. Basically, in terms of healing, which is best thought of as regeneration of the body, allowing the tissue to regenerate, that stuff is vital, keeping the inflammation response low, having the glycine available, optimizing the glucose metabolism to produce more CO2, because the CO2 is really important for the regeneration. I think we talked about that on this podcast previously about the finger regeneration thing.

Jayton

[inaudible 00:19:40] podcast, I think.

Brenton

[inaudible 00:19:41].

Chris

Oh, yeah. I was talking about it on the hair-loss modules for the Thermo course. Yeah.

Jayton

Okay. Yeah. I think red-light therapy is extremely effective for increasing cellular respiration and increasing the amount of CO2 that you can produce too. So that would be really good. The bromelain's actually really interesting for joint health and stuff like that, because you can have ... and for the scar tissue, because it eats away the extra collagen that's actually being produced that leads to scar tissue, and so it'll slowly help it heal without producing an excess of collagen to a scar. That can-

Chris

Yeah. With scarring, one of the interesting things is certain glands and organs and parts of the body ... The ones that are higher in that CO2 content and production, they actually don't leave scars.

Jayton

Interesting.

Chris

So if you cut the inside your mouth, for example, it'll heal itself and regenerate the tissue without a scar, and certain internal organs also do the same, like the liver, the thyroid gland. There's no scar if it was cut by something in a surgery or whatever. There won't be scar tissue, but then you can tell ... So it's kind of a cool thing. I mean, I'm not sure if it's that helpful in practice, but it's cool to observe, where other areas of the body will scar because they have a lower CO2 content in that tissue.

Jayton

So what are your top tips to increase CO2 production or retention?

Chris

Let's see. Glucose metabolism optimized is big. Enough glycine also available. Not being deficient in it first off, but then also having enough to help with that metabolism in general, which naturally would lend to not ... Trying to create as few other metabolic byproducts as possible too. Kind of just that entire system involved. Yeah. Consuming more oxygen is also very good.

Jayton

Bag breathing is actually really good for the retention of CO2.

Chris

Back breathing?

Jayton

Bag breathing.

Chris

Oh, bag breathing. Yeah.

Jayton

Like a paper bag.

Chris

Yeah. We were trying that.

Jayton

Yeah.

Chris

What was the thing we were doing with the baking soda?

Jayton

It was the gas that we were doing with the water bottle.

Chris

Yeah.

Jayton

It was vinegar and baking soda, and then it produces a CO2 byproduct, and then basically you shake it up and then you get a shot of CO2.

Chris

Yeah. It was awesome.

Jayton

Yeah. It was interesting.

Chris

There's got to be a better device that we could invent for that.

Jayton

So I actually found out that you can go to a welding shop and they have big things of CO2 that you can buy, tanks of CO2 that you can buy, and you can actually take CO2 baths, because it's heavier than the rest of the gas so you can put it in a bathtub and sit in it.

Chris

Interesting. We answered some questions. Hopefully they were helpful. Take it or leave it. If you have any more questions, we're always happy to answer the questions and talk about stuff. So get over in the Thermo Diet Facebook group. Join in on the fun. It's a pretty great group. We will see you on the next episode. Thanks for listening.

Jayton

Have a good one.